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Andorians in Enterprise

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 10 2011, 9:08 am

Yes he points to the view screen all of the previous Enterprise are shown there is no NX-01


 


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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 10 2011, 12:08 pm

If there had been a NX-01 in Kirk's time-line or universe we would have heard of it prior to the series being aired.


The NX-01 and J Archer  are never  mentioned in Trek canon in the prime universe.


Check the O'kuda encyclopedia not one word about all of it.


There is evidence in canon that the entire series was a holoprogram on the Enterprise D.


But it can't be confirmed either way without quantum signatures being provided for the TNG episode with Pegasus and TATV. 


 

Kaliman

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Report this Jun. 10 2011, 1:24 pm

Funny, the Pegasus was the lost Battlestar in the original Galactica. But I digress, no Andorians on Galactica

guillermo.mejía

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Report this Jun. 10 2011, 8:07 pm

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>It's probably been said before, but the simple fact is, the NCC-1701 is still the "first" starship Enterprise.

>The first Federation starship Enterprise. (Not to be confused with Balok's First Federation, of course)

>The NX-01 was not a Federation ship. Otherwise, that would be like counting any ships serving in the Continental Navy as United States Navy ships prior to 1776.

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Yes, i've heread that one before. i've even said it a few times; but each and every time it feels like a cheat, and that's what it is. It is a simple technicality that in the most literal sense allows ENT to be canon. But you don't have to think about it too long to see how superficial of an excuse it is.


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Report this Jun. 11 2011, 2:13 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Jun. 10 2011, 8:07 pm

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>It's probably been said before, but the simple fact is, the NCC-1701 is still the "first" starship Enterprise.

>The first Federation starship Enterprise. (Not to be confused with Balok's First Federation, of course)

>The NX-01 was not a Federation ship. Otherwise, that would be like counting any ships serving in the Continental Navy as United States Navy ships prior to 1776.

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Yes, i've heread that one before. i've even said it a few times; but each and every time it feels like a cheat, and that's what it is. It is a simple technicality that in the most literal sense allows ENT to be canon. But you don't have to think about it too long to see how superficial of an excuse it is.


Interestingly in the opening credits you see an old-fashioned image of what is perhaps the first ship to bear the name - HMS Enterprize (spelt with a zed) which had been a captured French vessel called L'entreprise in 1705. Apparently 9 more Royal Navy ships have born that name!


I guess the first American one would be the 1775 USS Enterprise revolutionary war sloop. That was also a captured ship originally being HMS George! (taken by Benedict Arnold of all people). It is fascinating to know that this ship was eventually run aground and set on fire to avoid recapture on Lake Champlain - shades of STIII-TSFS to come!


A further 8 ships have born the name in the US Navy famously during WW2 (the 7th) and the modern-day nuclear aircraft carrier (8th - referenced in STIV-TVH).


One might assume that there were quite a few more to add to the already eighteen strong list as we head to the 22nd century. In short you would need quite a long wall to show them all!!!


Picard could take some slight satisfaction from knowing the very first one was initially French


Nothing to do with Andorians of course - but all very interesting ...


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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 11 2011, 7:26 am

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>Funny, the Pegasus was the lost Battlestar in the original Galactica. But I digress, no Andorians on Galactica

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Talking about the USS Pegasus, a Starfleet vessel lost in TNG, the scenes of Riker and Troi in the final ENT episode tie in with that episode.


 


Tie in or photo shop cut and pasted in ?


Those two episodes now tied together in Enterprise canon does not look like they relate in any way.


If Trials and Tribbleations had been done that poorly  people would have burned their uniforms and rubber appliances.


The Andorians were the only positive contribution ever made to Trek by the series Enterprise and that was 90% Jeffery Combs.


 


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tjthegreatest

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Report this Jun. 11 2011, 9:07 am

I loved the way the Enterprise series developed the Andorian race. "Tell Archer, this time he owes ME!"

Kaliman

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 10:55 am

Did all andorians had their antenae in the back in TOS?

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 11:02 am

They only Andorian's shown in TOS were blue with antenna on their foreheads.


Both were shown to be terrorists and one had a radio hidden in a prosthetic antenna.


In TAS a Star Fleet Andorian was depicted he was more grey than blue his antenna were on the top of his forehead as well.


 


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Kaliman

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 1:12 pm

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>They only Andorian's shown in TOS were blue with antenna on their foreheads.

>Both were shown to be terrorists and one had a radio hidden in a prosthetic antenna.

>In TAS a Star Fleet Andorian was depicted he was more grey than blue his antenna were on the top of his forehead as well.

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I have seen them with antenea on the back of the head.

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 7:00 pm

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>They only Andorian's shown in TOS were blue with antenna on their foreheads.

>Both were shown to be terrorists and one had a radio hidden in a prosthetic antenna.

>In TAS a Star Fleet Andorian was depicted he was more grey than blue his antenna were on the top of his forehead as well.

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That's actually not true.


First there were a few background andorians that didn't even merit mentioning in the episodes. memory Alpha has a listing of these.


As for Journey to Babel, only one of them was a terrorist, specifically and Orion disguised as Andorian. the other was just the ambassador.


In TAS there were two andorians, one being the gray Andorian, the other being a background Andorian in The Time Trap, who was blue but had his antenna were painted white like his hair.


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guillermo.mejía

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 7:03 pm

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>It's probably been said before, but the simple fact is, the NCC-1701 is still the "first" starship Enterprise.

>The first Federation starship Enterprise. (Not to be confused with Balok's First Federation, of course)

>The NX-01 was not a Federation ship. Otherwise, that would be like counting any ships serving in the Continental Navy as United States Navy ships prior to 1776.

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Yes, i've heread that one before. i've even said it a few times; but each and every time it feels like a cheat, and that's what it is. It is a simple technicality that in the most literal sense allows ENT to be canon. But you don't have to think about it too long to see how superficial of an excuse it is.

So NOTHING can be added to Trek history prior to TOS or it's considered a "cheat"?

It's not an excuse, it's just plain canon.

Yes, you are absolutely right about that.


I had to admit that anything canon can be added, and yes there's been many Enterprises never shown in the TMP wall


....but...if the NX-01 is SO important, shouldn't it deserve a little picture in Kirk's ship at the very least? Or in any other ship there after? I know there's no way they could posibly address this, but it's just a little example of new canon not meshing well with previous things.


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Report this Jun. 21 2011, 1:35 pm

I have to say that the Andorians are one of my favorite alien species ever.  Shraan was simply awesome and I loved the tumultuous relationship between him and Archer.  I just wish there were more episodes with Andorians in them.  I agree that there were far too many episodes with klingons, and I hated the episode with the Ferengi.

Kaliman

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Report this Jun. 22 2011, 3:18 pm

There's a reason for that: Jeffrey Combs, little can be argued about who was the best actor in the whole series. And not only is he a great actor but a Star Trek institution by himself.


Made the voices in a couple of video games, an appearance on Voyager as Penk, very important role on DS9 as Weyoun.
He is the main reason I am waiting for Transformers, even if he only does a voice.

guillermo.mejía

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Report this Jun. 22 2011, 7:07 pm

Combs was in fact so good as Shran that it has been stated that in the 5th Season, Shran would have somehow joined Archer's crew on the Enterprise to have him as a regular. That, plus the Romulan War would have been epic.


CURSE YOU PARAMOUNT!!!!


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