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Treknoir

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Report this Feb. 28 2011, 12:14 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Feb. 28 2011, 11:46 am

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>I think that the Borg would have difficulty adapting to sharks with laser beams attached to their foreheads. And, if they adapt to THAT (which I find UNLIKELY), then you could always sick your ill-tempered sea bass on them.

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*mental note, do not read Vger's posts while drinking water*


 


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cmdr_brian

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Report this Feb. 28 2011, 1:48 pm

Good stuff!!Forgot about the Borg-whacking torpedos!!The computer systems one i completely agree with!!As far as the armor....Well it is armor.But still very cool!!Forgot about that as well.Been a while since i've watched Voyager!As far as downgrading....nah.The writers and producers should just accept the fact that a species that can travel faster than light,must have figured the energy crisis out in order to achieve that goal.They should (in a future series???Fingers crossed!!) figure out new challenges for the crew to conquer besides how much energy the holosuites/emmiters/holosystems as a whole use.like chr33355 said...de-intergrate some of the systems from the computer.Why not have the holo-systems have a seperate power supply?There's an upgrade.The double/triple failsafes on the warp core would be the you know what as well!Then the battle scenes could be longer or just more intense??idk....


 

VORTEX8472

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Report this Feb. 28 2011, 7:22 pm

They should upgrade the power transfer networks, like install buffers/fuses that will prevent workstations from blowing up in the middle of a battle.  I know it's used for dramatic effect, but it's really ridiculous.

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Report this Feb. 28 2011, 8:30 pm

amen to that...exploding consoles look great, but they're kind of over the top.


cmdr_brian

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Report this Mar. 05 2011, 3:22 pm

lol!!!

___Lucifer___

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Report this Mar. 05 2011, 7:29 pm

i was just trying to point out that there is no conclusive evidence either way on this subject. Wrong. There's ZERO evidence that the Borg can adapt to non-energy attacks. The logical principle of parsimony is not that something is untrue in the absence of evidence. It's that an idea is groundless nonsense in the absence of evidence. There's a huge difference.


Never heard this arguement on the subject before. but i will say, and excuse me if this has been said before, that 8472 used melee style attacks, not energy based attacks in fighting hand to hand with the borg


That's the point. Non-energy based attacks which turned Borg drones into catfood.


...in Unimatrix Zero we see a borg adapt to the fighting style of a klingon that it was fighting after two of its companions were taken out by that same klingon.


It ducked and counterattacked. Then Janeway used a bat'leth to finish him off while the Queen was looking on. The Borg NEVER threw up a forcefield, which is the traditional definition of Borg adaptation among debators.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zppbmygbxcc&feature=related (6:20)


Again those appeared to be from melee fighting and not energy based fighting.


That's the point. Non-energy based attacks which turned Borg drones into catfood.


besides there is one major flaw to this arguement, even though bullets are projectile weapons, they are still a type of energy weapon, as it requires energy to launch it out of the weapon.


By this retarded logic, melee attacks are also energy based since it requires momentum to swing a weapon at someone. When "non-energy based attacks" inconveniences you, simply redefine "energy." Of course, sane debators on this subject mean "directed energy weapon" when speaking of "energy based weapons"


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Report this Mar. 06 2011, 2:50 am

 Wrong. There's ZERO evidence that the Borg can adapt to non-energy attacks. The logical principle of parsimony is not that something is untrue in the absence of evidence. It's that an idea is groundless nonsense in the absence of evidence. There's a huge difference.


BULL, there is no difference. The only reason why we have not seen the borg adapt to projectile weapons before is because there was not enough of them in the holodeck for them to adapt to it. Agian it takes anywhere from 1-12 drones being taken out for them to adapt, this is a proven fact supported by canon.


That's the point. Non-energy based attacks which turned Borg drones into catfood.


Only until they adapt to the attack. 8472 was the only exception that i have seen to this rule yet, as they even had a resistance to assmilation.


It ducked and counterattacked. Then Janeway used a bat'leth to finish him off while the Queen was looking on. The Borg NEVER threw up a forcefield, which is the traditional definition of Borg adaptation among debators.


There is more then one way to adapt to a weapon. This is what the Borg have shown not only in Unimatrix Zero and also in First Contact (after the failed attempt to take engineering, an unlucky officer tried to take out a drone with the butt of his phaser like worf did a moment earlier and the borg repeled the attack). There is also the fact that Borg shields appear to be more for long range weapons (IE phasers) then for close range ones (Again both Unimatrix Zero and First Contact)


That's the point. Non-energy based attacks which turned Borg drones into catfood


Only until they are able to adapt to the fighting style of the person they are up agianst. Here is something for you to think about, if the borg are so suseptable to bladed weapons, then how the hell did they ever assimilate races like the Klingons, who always carry bladed weapons with them?


Lucifer, if you wish to continue this debate, i suggest that we move it to another thread (just started one on this topic) so that we do not drag others from the true topic that the op started this thread for.


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___Lucifer___

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Report this Mar. 06 2011, 8:44 am

BULL, there is no difference.

You need to study Occam's Razor then.

The only reason why we have not seen the borg adapt to projectile weapons before is because there was not enough of them in the holodeck for them to adapt to it. Agian it takes anywhere from 1-12 drones being taken out for them to adapt, this is a proven fact supported by canon.

Scorpion Part I disproves this notion and you are willfully ignoring that evidence.

Only until they adapt to the attack.

No limits Fallacy.

8472 was the only exception that i have seen to this rule yet, as they even had a resistance to assmilation.


Which has nothing to do with blunt force.

There is more then one way to adapt to a weapon.

Shift goalposts much?


This is what the Borg have shown not only in Unimatrix Zero and also in First Contact (after the failed attempt to take engineering, an unlucky officer tried to take out a drone with the butt of his phaser like worf did a moment earlier and the borg repeled the attack).


Overcoming a puny Fed ensign isn't really saying much.


There is also the fact that Borg shields appear to be more for long range weapons (IE phasers) then for close range ones (Again both Unimatrix Zero and First Contact)


In "Q Who" a phaser is fired at a Borg drone from only a few feet away and it still threw up a forcefield.

Only until they are able to adapt to the fighting style of the person they are up agianst.

More No Limits BS.

Here is something for you to think about, if the borg are so suseptable to bladed weapons, then how the hell did they ever assimilate races like the Klingons, who always carry bladed weapons with them?

Because that particular Klingon might have decided to use a disruptor and failed. Not every Klingon in the universe has to fit the stereotype.


Lucifer, if you wish to continue this debate, i suggest that we move it to another thread (just started one on this topic) so that we do not drag others from the true topic that the op started this thread for.


You willfully ignore evidence and redefine terms when your argument falls to pieces. Why should I even participate? It's like banging my head again st a brick wall.



Camorite

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Report this Mar. 06 2011, 9:54 am

lucifer ask these again on the other thread, and i will rebute them.

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Report this Mar. 06 2011, 4:06 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Feb. 28 2011, 11:46 am

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>I think that the Borg would have difficulty adapting to sharks with laser beams attached to their foreheads. And, if they adapt to THAT (which I find UNLIKELY), then you could always sick your ill-tempered sea bass on them.

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austin powers...lol


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tribblenator999

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Report this Mar. 06 2011, 4:33 pm

or another upgrade how about some kind of gattling phaser rifle or something. Those would make awesome close quarter weapons or personal quantum torpedo launchers.

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