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Why the "Prime Directive " should be repaired or taken away..

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DammitJim6200

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Report this Feb. 16 2011, 8:13 pm

The Prime Directive prohibits Starfleet personnel and space craft from interfering with the normal development of any planet of society.. In the episode "Bread and Circuses" On a Planet where Roman ideology is practice Kirk, Spock and McCoy is captured and almost died had anyone of them died, not only would Star Fleet had blood on their hands losing valuable officers, but those officials on the Planet will go unpunished, end of story, just how far does the Prime Directive go ? Kirk obviously broke it when he opened the natives eyes in "The Apple" . in "Symbiosis" Captain Picard stood by The prime Directive when dealing with a planet addictive to drugs.Picard  refuses to get involved, not even staying to see if the problem is solved or if they kill each other, if this is what the Prime Directive stands for then it's FLAWED, lives could be lost, if a federation persons life depends on letting innocent people die or obeying it's law then it needs to be abolish..Opinions ?

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Report this Feb. 17 2011, 7:01 am

You're wrong DJ. Kirk didn't "break" the PD in that episode.


Dialogue in Star Trek (including the great Captain Picard's noble and epic "STAR TREK INSURRECTION") indicates that the Prime Directive applies only to naturally developing societies who are native to their world and have not yet discovered warp technology.


The people in "The Apple" were already being interfered with by "Vaal," which was obviously an alien construct of some kind left behind to govern these people. They were NOT "naturally developing." Kirk and crew were simply putting them back on their natural path.


"Lives lost" is not the issue. Natural development is the issue. If a society is set to destroy itself, who is to say that is not the next "natural course of evolution" for that biosphere. The Federation is not in the business of playing "God" with any society.


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Report this Feb. 17 2011, 8:07 am

The PD is BS.


I like how another poster on the forum put it: if future humans are atheists, and SF is mostly human centric, then interfering to save lives is not playing God. There is no God and no greater "purpose" or meaning for a civilization's death simply because, oh well, sh** happens or it's natural. What the hell does that mean anyway?


If it is possible to prevent death and destruction, then more powerful sentient beings should intervene. This does not mean being the galaxy police or a nanny. It doesn't mean the UFP/SF can save everyone or should try. Yeah it might disrupt the civilization, but so what? They are alive and can find a way to cope.


One of my pet peeves about ST is how extreme some ideas are. PD is my number 1, followed by the Vulcan logic. I mean, it really is possible to NOT blow each other up with nuclear weapons and still have feelings. Clearly, it's a plot device for dramatic effect, but UGH! Piccard is my favorite captain, but PD shows almost always made me scream at the TV.


 


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Report this Feb. 17 2011, 11:29 am

It needs to be changed IMHO. Humanitarian aid should always be allowed, no matter how developed or underdeveloped a society is.


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Report this Feb. 17 2011, 12:32 pm

the prime directive is really easy. don't know why they kind of made the concept so hard to follow in trek by our beloved characters.  aliens have warp drive- you call them up. aliens dont have warp drive and are about to die off you don't call up. lol 

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Report this Feb. 17 2011, 7:10 pm

The Prime Directive should stay as it is. Why should the Federation get involved in a pre-warp civilization's affairs? And how? If a civilization was about to annihilate itself with nuclear warfare, how would the Federation stop it? By talking to the governments involved? That's no guarantee. By taking control of the governments? That's not the Fed's job.

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Report this Feb. 17 2011, 7:37 pm

The prime directive is a product of the time TOS was created in.  Society was just becoming cognizant of the cultural genocide that resulted from European colonization. 


 


and it should stay.  Cultures have an inherent right to exist and develop natually.  Granted, no culture exists in a vacuum but the rule about societies developing warp power on their own before first contact is made is a good one.


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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 12:43 pm

Why ? In "A Private little War" Kirk condenm a race to fight each other forever, bloodshed after bloodshed, when Two hand phasers could had ended the conflict..And in "The Apple "  The natives worshipping Vaal cooexisted PEACEFULLY When Kirk and his party shows up the natives discovered how to kill, this is not putting them on their "natural path"..The Prime Directive stagnates Star Fleet with trite political bureaucracy, it should be ABOLISHED  

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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 12:43 pm

Why ? In "A Private little War" Kirk condenm a race to fight each other forever, bloodshed after bloodshed, when Two hand phasers could had ended the conflict..And in "The Apple "  The natives worshipping Vaal cooexisted PEACEFULLY When Kirk and his party shows up the natives discovered how to kill, this is not putting them on their "natural path"..The Prime Directive stagnates Star Fleet with trite political bureaucracy, it should be ABOLISHED  

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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 1:16 pm

I agree. It is a cowardly rule when most, if not all, the UFP member planets were one nuke/natural disaster away from extinction themselves. Of course, they are arrogant enough to think their survival was based on the superior intellect of their race when in fact it was purely random. Everyone can't be saved and that's life. However, to do nothing when you actually can prevent extinction or suffering is cruel and beneath so-called intelligent life.


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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 7:22 pm

You should all go watch TNG’s “Symbiosis” episode again, Picard explains why the PD is more than necessary, how it is not just a rule, but a philosophy, etc, etc. Very good explanation as to why it exists and should not be changed or abolished.


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Report this Feb. 20 2011, 7:59 am

In pratice other case alien race died out if UFP did nothing Prime Directive make sense. minal interferce even under those cases. Fact remains that are own interest might make do think not best interest that race. 

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Report this Feb. 20 2011, 10:38 am

From Symbiosis, TNG


"... Beverly, the Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy... and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes with a less developed civilization, no matter how well intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous."
"It's hard to be philosophical when faced with suffering."
"Believe me Beverly, there was only one decision."
"I just hope it was the right one."
"And we may never know."


- Captain Picard and Doctor Crusher

And I still call BS. The PD philosophy is loosely based on the 20th century realization of the destructive and disruptive consequences of colonialism. A practice that was often based on pure greed, racism, and/or religious expansion. The "help" from more powerful governments were RARELY, if ever, benevolent. I admit the PD is a neat little plot device, but it is a moral copout. In life, there are shades of grey. History also teaches us that sometimes bad things happen to good people OR that a few often oppress and damn the many. There is no higher purpose or meaning to letting "nature" take its course when we also know that nature is no respector of persons, it just happens.


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Report this Feb. 20 2011, 2:04 pm

Treknoir, it is not explicity stated or shown that humans of the future are atheists. Quite the contrary in fact. Star Trek is a humanist philosophy. So while emphasis is placed on human ability and achievement, the presence of or a belief in God is not negated. Also, the Prime Directive is not directed solely at colonialism but to the broader abuse of power, a central and recurring theme of G. Roddenberry's. The abuse of power takes many forms, colonism is one, legal entitlement... The Prime Directive is meant to curb such behavior and prevent even the potential for abuses from their inception. 


The Prime Directive is against authoritarianism, ultimately being a democratic philosophy extendimg beyond a trivial right to vote or majority rule.  The heart of democracy is equality through self-expression and responsibility. The PD requires individuals and their supportive collectives to be responsible for themselves, whether a transpiring event be natural or artificial in its design. It encourages horizontal management as opposed to vertical management, the latter being notorious for one way (top-down) communication and thus its alignment with authoritarianism.


Interfering to prevent death within an alien population is illogical and a bottomless emotional well, as death is inevitable. It can be postponed, but only for an indiscriminant fraction when in comparison to the collective entity, which is capable of both total population replacement in roughly a century's time (as it applies to humans) and ideological propogation.


The Prime Directive is a wise philosophy for its vision deals with long term consequences, rather than immediateness to which emotional behavior is predisposed.

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Report this Feb. 20 2011, 2:09 pm

why bother? no one pays any attention to it anyway.


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