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Deepening the Star Trek Series

JadenStrikerOVA

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 9:17 am

So far there has been 5 TV Series and 11 Movies of Star Trek.  All have been entertaining to watch, and with its own twist to life aboard a star ship, its Captains, and the Senior Officers, and those stories have been great for exploring their galaxy.


But what about the culture and lives of people who are not ship captains and senior officers?  What about all those worlds that where visited once in a series then left behind in the stories?  Have you ever wondered what a federation project to colonize a planet would be like?  Have you ever wondered what the deeper parts of the Klingon culture, or Romulan life styles where like?  Has the current perspective of the starship captains made you wonder if we where only getting one side of a multi-dimintional story or culture, so times to the point of reasserting the consept of prejudice?


These are just some of the questions that I have grown to have as I occationally rewatch my DVD's of the Star Trek Series and Movies that I have.  I has left me kind of disappointed, with a feeling that somethings are missing from the stores of the Star Trek Universe.


What would life be like for people making a new Federation or StarFleet Colony?  How would they start off from the space dock?  What ship would they use?  How would they choose what planet to colonize?  And then after that, how would they start building it?  How would it be orginized?  What are the legistical complications as they start to take their dozers, Back-ho's, and Tree Cutters to clear and level the land for there buildings and food production facilities?  What difficulties will they face when building these structures?  What would the family life and other relationships be like?  What kind of stress would they be under?  What kind of weather would they deal with?


Then what of the lives and deeper culters of Klingons and Romulans actually be like beyond the military space traveling veriaty that we have seen?  Don't they farm for their food and have food production facilities?  Don't they fabercate matirials to build with?  Do they go fish?  If they do, how?  With a Pole? With a spear?  With a Bow or cross bow?  And what of there family lives?  What other cultures and nations exist on their planets and how do they differ from one another?


Just by asking these questions you have a starting place for 3 or 4 entire new Star Trek Series, from a completely diffrent angle, that can deepen the whole franchise storylines!


What are your thoughts on this?

Vger23

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 10:22 am

I think it's a good idea with some interesting merit...but it's not really interesting entertainment. Star Trek is about exploring space and the human condition. It's not really about future sociological / anthroplogical behaviors.

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 10:40 am

Vger is correct, Star Trek was originally meant to be exploring the final fronteir and going boldly where no man had gone before, I think this should remain what it is all about. =)

JadenStrikerOVA

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 10:42 am

Well they seem to be running out of ideas on how to do that from the Captains chair. 


I don't think you can really seporate the Sociological and Anthroplogical behaviors from the subject of the human condition, other wise you will have an element missing from the human condition, and thus missing elements for the storyline.


What do you have too lose from exploring these others idea's?  Isn't exploring other planets part of exploring space?  And isn't watching people colonizing a planet observing their human condition?


It seems like sticking to the same old StarShip Captain thing is limiting the series.  How many variations can you make off of starship captains before you are doing nothing more then rehashing the same kind of story?


I fear that this single Federation Bridge Crew setting view point limits the potintal of Star Trek, and worse more, limits the perspective and growth of it's viewers, and worse more, some views are growing to used to that single view point that they either can't, won't or are afread to see things from diffrent angles.


I think it needs to be done, to make series about colonizations, and the first person perspecive of other races.  That would be far more challanging and thought prevoking and perhaps even inspiring to the viewers, then another Federation Bridge Crew. 


The Original Star Trek Bridge Crew was in its day that very kind of challanging and thought prevoking show, when it first came out.  Why not continue that legacy of thought prevoking and inspiring things by taking Star Trek to another level and direction, while still maintaining it's ideals?

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 11:14 am

I agree with you, Jaden. There should be at least an extended story-arc, if not an entire series, on a particular colonization project, from beginning-to-end. I've often thought  another extended story-arc should be done on the building/maintenance/patroling of the vast infrastructure needed for inter-stellar travel just within the vast & far-flung Federation (ie. ALL the comm arrays, marker  buoys, shipping lanes, way-stations, deepspace stations & outposts, patrol of the "dead spaces" between the heavily-travelled shipping lanes, etc...). This would be be the story of the hundreds of thousands of small ships & their small crews in Federation space.

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 12:23 pm

Yay! A kindred spirit. I thought I was alone in the "what about others in the Federation/galaxy" wilderness. I'd like to see all sorts of things explored: 25th century UFP/humanity and beyond, politics, relationships (folks had families and lives beyond the ship), lower ranked crew members, other cultures, etc.


However, I believe that Vger and iBorg have a valid point about the nature of ST and I don't know if the general audience would support it.


I think the TPTB should explore our idea through books first. Lord knows they keep mining the same 300 year period and leading authorized authors to a well that is running dry. Let some talented writers expand the ST "universe" and I bet someone will hit on a story or two that can translate well to the big or small screen. This would be a cheaper way to come up with fresh ideas by using book fans to beta test a concept.


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JadenStrikerOVA

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 12:37 pm

I have often wondered what about the rest of the Crews on a ship and the rest of the federation, Earth, and other alina cultures for a while.


 There is a lot of content that can be made from those perspectives, and can be done in a manner that doesn't deviate from the Ideals Star Trek has been based on.


Going into further detail of maintainace of a ship, space station, planitary, moon or astroid colonies would help support many viewers personal intrest into the more technical aspects of things. You could even develope the crews or maintainance personals live, and that would support Vger23's idea of observing the human condition and how they deal with things in those characters every day lives.


If you come from a planitary colony view point, in the process of establishing, building and maintaining the colony, you could have people set out to explore the land of that planet, finding new plants, animals, microorganisms, and deal with their unique challanges, from taming those new creatures, or fighting them off, to dealing with an infection or illness from an unknown or newly descoved spore, even to strange climate and enviromental cchallanges that don't naturally occure on earth, but can on the new planet.


You wouldn't be deviating from Star Treks Ideals or deviating from exploring space, you would be forfilling it!

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 1:03 pm

I'm not saying the idea doesn't have merit, I feel the same way about expanding the setting beyond the bridge. I am just being realistic about the bottom line motivation of TPTB.


The attention span and tastes of the viewing public have, IMO, gone into the toilet. There are thousands of channels via cable, reality TV, internet, video games, online video games, CGI robots and 10 foot blue cat humans on the screen to compete with nowadays. I'm not sure TPTB would want to risk deviating too far from the ST model (space, bridge, ships, Klingons, randy aliens willing to roll in the hay with a dashing human) because of the expense involved.


Making movies and shows are expensive. They can't get away with the cheesy, limited budget 60's sfx. It would be cheaper to "test the waters" on a smaller scale, maybe even produce quality internet shorts before jumping out there with something COMPLETELY new.


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 1:49 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Feb. 14 2011, 1:03 pm

I'm not saying the idea doesn't have merit, I feel the same way about expanding the setting beyond the bridge. I am just being realistic about the bottom line motivation of TPTB.

The attention span and tastes of the viewing public have, IMO, gone into the toilet. There are thousands of channels via cable, reality TV, internet, video games, online video games, CGI robots and 10 foot blue cat humans on the screen to compete with nowadays. I'm not sure TPTB would want to risk deviating too far from the ST model (space, bridge, ships, Klingons, randy aliens willing to roll in the hay with a dashing human) because of the expense involved.

Making movies and shows are expensive. They can't get away with the cheesy, limited budget 60's sfx. It would be cheaper to "test the waters" on a smaller scale, maybe even produce quality internet shorts before jumping out there with something COMPLETELY new.



Agreed.

The bottom line is that just because we "the fans" find a concept interesting and we "want to see more about XYZ" doesn't mean that it would make a viable long-term science fiction series...much less one based in the Star Trek mold.

If there's ONE concept in fandom that I see as an absolute consistant issue, it's this: Fans don't realize that what "they" want to see out of Star Trek rarely (if ever) translates into a marketable, mass-appeal idea that would be worth the cost and risk associated with producing it. Everyone has such marvelous imaginations (and high expectations) that we forget that the probability and applicability of what we "the fans" want is likely to NEVER happen, much less appeal to enough other people to be viable.

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 2:25 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Feb. 14 2011, 1:49 pm

> Agreed. The bottom line is that just because we "the fans" find a concept interesting and we "want to see more about XYZ" doesn't mean that it would make a viable long-term science fiction series...much less one based in the Star Trek mold. If there's ONE concept in fandom that I see as an absolute consistant issue, it's this: Fans don't realize that what "they" want to see out of Star Trek rarely (if ever) translates into a marketable, mass-appeal idea that would be worth the cost and risk associated with producing it. Everyone has such marvelous imaginations (and high expectations) that we forget that the probability and applicability of what we "the fans" want is likely to NEVER happen, much less appeal to enough other people to be viable.


Exactly. We are fans because we love the story/concept and have taken the time to get to know and understand the series/movies/books. We don't mind the details and backstories and canon v non-canon stuff. HOWEVER, every last ST fan could support a new show/movie and it would still be unsuccessful because our numbers and $$$$ aren't large enough to cover the costs. These things are expensive because the general audience has certain expectations TPTB have to meet to break even.


Yes, I blame it on the shortened attention spans of the current generation. I could make a movie called Transformers vs. Nav'i with lots of CGI explosions, alien sex, kickass robots, colorful backgrounds, and pop culture references and at least make my money back plus $10 million. LOL I wouldn't win an Oscar, but who needs that when I can swim in my money vault like Scrooge McDuck?


The problem, sadly, is that quality and substance aren't always valued.   


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

JadenStrikerOVA

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Report this Feb. 14 2011, 3:11 pm

When the original Series first came out, it was a risk, and its first showing didn't sit well with the audiance of the day. Time passed and it was accepted later.


The ideas I am presenting wouldn't deviate from the ideals ST was based on. It may take a theme similare to shows like House, CSI, the new BattleStar Galactica, or No Ordinary family, in the fact that it focuses a lot more on technical aspects and the area of the respected idea, but federation values and ideals within the show would be maintained, exploring would be maintained, dealing with aline problems from other new planets would be maintained.


I don't think it will lose out, and would be worth the risk. Infact it could revitalize the Star Trek franchize.


If you keep making new shows with the same theme over and over again, the theme will become old and worn, plus the fact that you run out of idea's, or worse, start to comrpomise the original ideals and end up adding a lot more fast action combat clips, or more sexually energized clips while sacrificing ideals you kept to in the past for the sake of keeping part of a shrinking audiance.


The Story/concept is getting too reused, and will slowly suffer compromises to it's ideals or the audiance will do two things, some will get worn out on the repeats and leave, and others that stick around watching variations of the same thing will get stuck in the same... heh... subroutine, never getting new insperation, no longer growing.


You dont have to add a bunch of sexual refrences, or a lot of fast combat to advanse to the next level of making good storylines with diffrent themes that don't comrpomise the original shows ideals or consepts.


Have you ever watched shows like House, CSI, the new BattleStar Galactica, and No Ordinary family? Have you given them a chance? They are pretty good. They focus more on relationships between people and the more technical aspects of a problem that is being solved, while at the same time, carrying a theme and idiolodgy, or even multiple idiolodgies at the same time and how they can conflict or even complement.


Star Trek is lacking this, and can use this to its own advantage to expand while keeping true to it's tried and true ideals and concepts.


If they have to use CGI to create the animal creatures or enviromental effects, then so be it.  Not like we are making Avatar Blue Cat people, or Gaint transforming robots.  Though they may want to consider a Mech or 2, and I am not sure how you would do the Caitian race effectively without CGI.  And they did have to use CGI in ST:Enterprise for the Insectoids and Aquatics for the Xenda, as well as most of its space combat.


The shortend attention span of shows like House, CSI, the new BattleStar Galactica, and No Ordinary Family, do not seem to affect these show, so why would it affect old Star Trek or this idea I am presenting?


Please stay on topic.

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Report this Feb. 15 2011, 6:15 am

"Staying on topic" seems to sound strangely like "if you don't agree with me, go away."

I'll say it again: Your idea has merit. The chances of it happening in real life are about the same as gophers rising up and enslaving the human race by the end of the week.

Is it an interesting idea for some curious fan fiction or a 3-part Pocketbooks novel series? Possibly. Is it a viable Star Trek televison show? No. It is not. That's not "bashing your idea," it's simply a fact.

I'm a hardcore fan, and even I have trouble mustering up more than just a passing interest in your idea. Is it good? Yes...it has story potential. But, it takes a lot more to make a main-stream successful series these days, particularly one with "Star Trek" in the title.

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Report this Feb. 15 2011, 3:04 pm

All those questions asked by the original poster are interesting, and would be fit for an encyclopedia. However, they would not be very entertaining.


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Report this Feb. 15 2011, 3:05 pm

They would not work on TV, or in the theater. Perhaps a few people would stick around to look at a web series, but it would not be very popular.


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Report this Feb. 15 2011, 3:21 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Feb. 15 2011, 6:15 am

>"Staying on topic" seems to sound strangely like "if you don't agree with me, go away." I'll say it again: Your idea has merit. The chances of it happening in real life are about the same as gophers rising up and enslaving the human race by the end of the week. Is it an interesting idea for some curious fan fiction or a 3-part Pocketbooks novel series? Possibly. Is it a viable Star Trek televison show? No. It is not. That's not "bashing your idea," it's simply a fact. I'm a hardcore fan, and even I have trouble mustering up more than just a passing interest in your idea. Is it good? Yes...it has story potential. But, it takes a lot more to make a main-stream successful series these days, particularly one with "Star Trek" in the title.

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