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Incessant Talk about Data

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 2:09 am

^ can we get a link to that? I'm pretty lazy when it comes to youtube-ing!

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 2:16 am

Of course he´s not Data. He can´t be. Just ask him a few questions, like:

Are you an android?
When were you born? (LOL Data wasn´t born! And besides, he doesn´t come into existence before the 24th century, so he can´t be here yet.)
Add some dazzling probability calculation question (of which you´ve figured out the answer yourself beforehand) and you´ll have all the proof in the world that the Spiner guy isn´t who he claims to be. :-P

If there is nothing wrong with me, then maybe there´s something wrong with the universe? -Dr. Crusher

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 2:19 am

Quote: LieutenantCommanderData625 @ Feb. 04 2011, 9:49 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

As a matter of fact, there is a tiny little fanfic that "fixes" the problem nicely. Maybe Paramount should simply take that as the opening scene of the next movie. Let me copy it in (it´s only some 200 words... but I love it!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Snap" Synopsis: Q learns of the events during Nemesis. Infinite webs of thought spun through the mind of the being known only as Q (well, on one small planet in the gamma quadrant he was known as the God of Lies, but never mind that). At any single moment, Q knew every subatomic particle in the universe within a parsec of his consciousness; and at will could view anyplace and anytime in the whole of the multiverse. The human term stargazing seems so weak when used to describe Q's current engagement. However, "stargazing" was exactly what Q was doing at that moment. Caught up in a rare state of awe, Q watched the multiverse progress. Q saw stars form and die in an instant and an eternity. Then, all of Q's thoughts screeched to a halt. Q did a double take. Only one single thought ran through Q's mind at that instant. He saw a funeral service… for DATA! Data, the android who had saved Q's life when the continuum had made him human. "Well, screw that!" snap Time reversed itself. Data never died. Picard's clone never existed. Wedding vows had just been exchanged. Q smiled. Once more all was well with the universe. And with that Q returned to stargazing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gotta love fanfiction :-)
Wow, I love this!


:-))))))))))))))))))) You wouldn´t believe how many reviews this tiny little piece has. And they´re all along the same line: "I love this! This is what should have happened!"

Talk about filling in the gap...

If there is nothing wrong with me, then maybe there´s something wrong with the universe? -Dr. Crusher

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 2:22 am

Quote: iBorg13 @ Feb. 04 2011, 12:00 pm

Personally I would've prefered it if Picard had died sacrificing himself on the Scimitar than Data beaming over to the ship and saving Picard and saying a gay last line: "Goodbye" WTFreeeeeaking Hell??? Data BEATS Picard!!!! I would'a bin pissed if Picard died... but not as much as Data. Which probably sounds pretty weird...



No it doesn´t. Sounds perfectly logical to me. And I totally agree!

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 2:23 am

Quote: Unlisshed @ Feb. 04 2011, 10:21 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 8:58 am

Quote: Unlisshed @ Feb. 04 2011, 4:35 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

And when reading a long AU fanfic spanning the entire series and the movies on a growing relationship between Data and Tasha, I absolutely refused to read the last chapter! Gotta love fanfiction :-)
That wasn't 'Rollercoaster' by any chance, was it? If it wasn't you should check it out, it's a pretty good read.
Of course it was :-) I´ve read it all - up till chapter 59. Never finished it :-) There are more out there - especially a new one somewhat along the same lines, but still a very different story: Big Doors. If you love Rollercoaster, you´re likely to enjoy this one, too.
I do enjoy that one!! The author who wrote 'Rollercoaster', is doing a sequel called 'Orpheus', it's a bit out there, but still enjoyable. Have you read that?


She insists I should finish Rollercoaster first, so I haven´t started on it yet... :-) But I want to!

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 3:18 am

Its an amazing piece konardq! That SHOULD have happened


"I do not believe it is justified to sacrifice one life-form for another."-Data

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 3:51 am

Eh... which one? Orpheus, or Q fixing the problem?

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 4:20 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 05 2011, 3:51 am

Eh... which one? Orpheus, or Q fixing the problem?

Q fixing the problem...as long as data would come back..ill be ok xD lol


"I do not believe it is justified to sacrifice one life-form for another."-Data

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 5:37 am

Ok, all you people talking about Data's death is putting me into a depression. Just like when Spock died in ST: II... I still haven't seen Nemisis, so I'll have to watch it sometime now, with a tissue box in hand. WHY COULDN'T THEY KILL SOMEONE ELSE LIKE WESELY CRUSHER??????? He left Starfleet anyway so it would have been more logical. He probably ran away with a girl anyway, so what does it matter? They kind of already killed Data in "Time's Arrow" Part 2 anyway. Worf would have liked to die...but Data had so much to learn. Maybe they could have had Q bring Data back....ANYTHING WOULD BE BETTER!!!! Let's talk more about Data's life, not his death, because all you people have already depressed me enough....


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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 6:04 am

Brian_Boru... it's true that Brent believes it would have been awkward to continue to play Data because of his age, but I heard him say that the role would have been reprised had another TNG Movie gone into the works. What killed Data more permanently was a poor box office opening for Nemesis. Paramount bases the success of those movies more on opening scores than anything. Because the numbers were poor, they assumed that Trek fans had had enough. I watched Spiner explain this at more than one convention. (I can't tell you which exactly because I've watched too many recently.)


Spiner's most interesting statement was, and I quote... "If Paramount had picked up another movie, it is my belief that Data would have been back. Not B4... Data." He was adamant about that.


Cheer up Trekkie, Data is not dead.


By the way, started reading Rollercoaster. Well written... should be a good ride!


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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 9:06 am

I have read more than once that Brent Spiner did not want to take the role of Data anymore because he was aging. So..the natural thing to do is to kill the character off. Of course the core character data is not dead as his memory chips, etc can always be implanted into a new Android. However, It would never occur with the TNG cast. Maybe a new series?

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 9:21 am

No doubt about it. He has aged beyond the role. Brent Spiner knows it. Johnathan Fakes teases him about it. They know, and it's okay. The next Data will have to be played by another actor, in much the same way that Zachary Quinto took over the role of Spock. Right now, it's hard to accept the idea of a new face on our familiar character, but with careful casting, it can be done. Much as I like Brent, even I would hate to see Data age much beyond where we left him. Part of the appeal of Star Trek has always been a sexy parade of youthful characters. Sure, we don't mind watching them age somewhat, but beyond a certain point, the show becomes strangely geriatric, no matter how much we love the original casts.


I think what Brent meant was... he could have done Data one more time, if there had been one more TNG movie. Still, he knew he was already "skating on the edge" in Nemesis. He was not anxious to play Data again, though. He said he was happy to see Data blow up. Can't blame him. I mean, he'd played the character for a long, long, long time compared to what most actors ever do with a single role.


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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 9:25 am

Quote: Tal Adair @ Feb. 05 2011, 1:06 am

There's this guy who hangs around Star Trek conventions... Brent Spiner. He claims to be Data, but I don't see the resemblance. It's just not there. Voice, mannerisms, nothing. Has anyone seen his question and answer shows on YouTube? If so, what do you think? He's a pretty dazzling individual, even if he is delusional about the whole Data thing.


I tried searching you tube...can't find it lol!! Can you post the link?

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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 9:53 am

This is one small example. I didn't get the full impression of Brent until I'd watched him at several conventions. Took me a while to get used to his testy Lore-like personality, since it's so different than Data, but once I did... I found someone astonishingly impressive... he sparkles. There's a reason we love Data so much... it's in there.


Brent Spiner at the Calgary Comic and Entertainment Expo 2010


This is probably not the best example, but it's the clearest I have at the moment. I'll try to search out some of the other talks I've watched. They are charming. You'll find more on the side of this video. May I suggest searching under "Brent Spiner Star Trek Con" as a start... you'll get a generous listing.


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Report this Feb. 05 2011, 10:09 am

Quote: Tal Adair @ Feb. 05 2011, 9:53 am

This is one small example. I didn't get the full impression of Brent until I'd watched him at several conventions. Took me a while to get used to his testy Lore-like personality, since it's so different than Data, but once I did... I found someone astonishingly impressive... he sparkles. There's a reason we love Data so much... it's in there.

Brent Spiner at the Calgary Comic and Entertainment Expo 2010

This is probably not the best example, but it's the clearest I have at the moment. I'll try to search out some of the other talks I've watched. They are charming. You'll find more on the side of this video. May I suggest searching under "Brent Spiner Star Trek Con" as a start... you'll get a generous listing.



haha oh wait!! I thought you were talking about a fan who thinks he's Data not the actor lol!!! Ugh I stayed up too late last night. Yea, I seen the various videos of Brent Spiner on you tube. I have heard him say his real personality is more like Lore than Data. Either way, I think we should consider sometimes the actors don't always click with their characters. I think there are a few others out there that struggled with their Star Trek roles.

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