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Incessant Talk about Data

Tal Adair

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 12:51 am

Obviously, our beloved android, Data, is a favorite subject of conversation. In the pages to come, let us discuss this wondrous character. No need to push and shove. Everyone will get a nice little slab of him. And don't forget, you can come back for seconds any time you wish. Let the talking begin... and may it never stop.

Tal Adair

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 1:16 am

I agree. When the movie was released, I simply refused to go see it. I finally watched it a couple of weeks ago... and yup, it was a good call to skip it. It was definitely a WTF kind of moment. No build up, no drama, nothin'. Just poof.


No worries. In my mind, Data is fine. This is Star Trek, dammit Jim, therefore anything can be fixed.


Admittedly, I am a barbarian. As such, I do not belong here. -- "It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men." ~ Spock

Tal Adair

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 1:35 am

Oh hey... Kirk was the hero I grew up with. I know what you mean. It's always a let-down to see a character you love, however fictional, bite the big one. It was done to good effect with Spock, but they brought him back! Not so with Kirk or Data. Officially, they are poofed.

Admittedly, I am a barbarian. As such, I do not belong here. -- "It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men." ~ Spock

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 2:05 am

It wasn't intentional to make the fans feel resentful. Brent Spiner had a large part in the writing of that story. I've listened to him talk about it in several convention tapes. He puts it well...


You see, Gene Roddenberry had a plan for Data's development over the years. That he would gradually, over time, put on more and more lessons of becoming human, and in the end, he'd be very nearly, but not quite, fully human. Brent felt that they'd achieved that goal with Data. If you notice, at the last, he was much less childlike than at the beginning of the series.... in fact, I detected a deep sadness in him, as if he knew he could go no further.


Anyway, Brent and the other writers thought it would be fitting for Data to sacrifice himself in a final act of supreme humanity by laying down his life for others... in sacrificing himself, Data arrived at being completely human.


"Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." Really, it was a beautiful idea, but it didn't work. There should have been more focus on that, but somehow, it was just a poof, and WTF?


They weren't sure if it was going to be the last movie or not. The box office draw was poor. Basically, the movie didn't open well, so Paramount never put another movie into the works. If it had been successful, Data would have been back... Brent said so. Hey, that backfired! We heard you were gonna kill Data so we wouldn't go. So there. Neener, neener, neener, Mr. Spiner.


In the end, Brent admits to killing Data, but he's quick to add that Paramount killed off the rest of the crew and nobody cared. He's funny.


Admittedly, I am a barbarian. As such, I do not belong here. -- "It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men." ~ Spock

Tal Adair

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 2:29 am

No kidding. What should have been a profoundly emotional moment seemed more like just another ho-hum bus accident. I guess I knew it was coming, so I was prepared. If I had seen that movie in the theater, I'm certain I would have left with a most empty feeling. The entire movie seemed hollow to me. I simply didn't feel anything, and that's not like me.

Admittedly, I am a barbarian. As such, I do not belong here. -- "It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men." ~ Spock

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

I agree that Data matured a lot - already during the series. The Data from the first season is a child compared to the one in the latter seasons. Haven´t seen the movies, so I can´t be the judge of that. But I was told what happened to him in Nemesis, and thought it was absolutely stupid - no matter how human it would make him. (Do we want him to be absolutely human?) And when reading a long AU fanfic spanning the entire series and the movies on a growing relationship between Data and Tasha, I absolutely refused to read the last chapter!

As a matter of fact, there is a tiny little fanfic that "fixes" the problem nicely. Maybe Paramount should simply take that as the opening scene of the next movie. Let me copy it in (it´s only some 200 words... but I love it!)
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"Snap"

Synopsis: Q learns of the events during Nemesis.



Infinite webs of thought spun through the mind of the being known only as Q (well, on one small planet in the gamma quadrant he was known as the God of Lies, but never mind that).
At any single moment, Q knew every subatomic particle in the universe within a parsec of his consciousness; and at will could view anyplace and anytime in the whole of the multiverse.
The human term stargazing seems so weak when used to describe Q's current engagement. However, "stargazing" was exactly what Q was doing at that moment.
Caught up in a rare state of awe, Q watched the multiverse progress. Q saw stars form and die in an instant and an eternity.
Then, all of Q's thoughts screeched to a halt. Q did a double take. Only one single thought ran through Q's mind at that instant. He saw a funeral service… for DATA! Data, the android who had saved Q's life when the continuum had made him human.
"Well, screw that!"

snap

Time reversed itself. Data never died. Picard's clone never existed. Wedding vows had just been exchanged.
Q smiled. Once more all was well with the universe. And with that Q returned to stargazing.
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Gotta love fanfiction :-)

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 4:35 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

I agree that Data matured a lot - already during the series. The Data from the first season is a child compared to the one in the latter seasons. Haven´t seen the movies, so I can´t be the judge of that. But I was told what happened to him in Nemesis, and thought it was absolutely stupid - no matter how human it would make him. (Do we want him to be absolutely human?) And when reading a long AU fanfic spanning the entire series and the movies on a growing relationship between Data and Tasha, I absolutely refused to read the last chapter! Gotta love fanfiction :-)


That wasn't 'Rollercoaster' by any chance, was it? If it wasn't you should check it out, it's a pretty good read.

"The bartender is an artificial lifeform." later... "Contact the operations officer to assist you." "He's in Ten-Forward... waiting tables."

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 5:05 am

I feel as if I'm going to breally enjoy this thread xD


"I do not believe it is justified to sacrifice one life-form for another."-Data

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 8:55 am

Quote: Tal Adair @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:05 am

It wasn't intentional to make the fans feel resentful. Brent Spiner had a large part in the writing of that story. I've listened to him talk about it in several convention tapes. He puts it well...

You see, Gene Roddenberry had a plan for Data's development over the years. That he would gradually, over time, put on more and more lessons of becoming human, and in the end, he'd be very nearly, but not quite, fully human. Brent felt that they'd achieved that goal with Data. If you notice, at the last, he was much less childlike than at the beginning of the series.... in fact, I detected a deep sadness in him, as if he knew he could go no further.

Anyway, Brent and the other writers thought it would be fitting for Data to sacrifice himself in a final act of supreme humanity by laying down his life for others... in sacrificing himself, Data arrived at being completely human.

"Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." Really, it was a beautiful idea, but it didn't work. There should have been more focus on that, but somehow, it was just a poof, and WTF?

They weren't sure if it was going to be the last movie or not. The box office draw was poor. Basically, the movie didn't open well, so Paramount never put another movie into the works. If it had been successful, Data would have been back... Brent said so. Hey, that backfired! We heard you were gonna kill Data so we wouldn't go. So there. Neener, neener, neener, Mr. Spiner.

In the end, Brent admits to killing Data, but he's quick to add that Paramount killed off the rest of the crew and nobody cared. He's funny.



Interesting. I had thought that Brent allowed Data to be killed off because he believed that he was too old to play the role faithfully! Not that I agree with that, of course.

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 8:58 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

I agree that Data matured a lot - already during the series. The Data from the first season is a child compared to the one in the latter seasons. Haven´t seen the movies, so I can´t be the judge of that. But I was told what happened to him in Nemesis, and thought it was absolutely stupid - no matter how human it would make him. (Do we want him to be absolutely human?) And when reading a long AU fanfic spanning the entire series and the movies on a growing relationship between Data and Tasha, I absolutely refused to read the last chapter! As a matter of fact, there is a tiny little fanfic that "fixes" the problem nicely. Maybe Paramount should simply take that as the opening scene of the next movie. Let me copy it in (it´s only some 200 words... but I love it!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Snap" Synopsis: Q learns of the events during Nemesis. Infinite webs of thought spun through the mind of the being known only as Q (well, on one small planet in the gamma quadrant he was known as the God of Lies, but never mind that). At any single moment, Q knew every subatomic particle in the universe within a parsec of his consciousness; and at will could view anyplace and anytime in the whole of the multiverse. The human term stargazing seems so weak when used to describe Q's current engagement. However, "stargazing" was exactly what Q was doing at that moment. Caught up in a rare state of awe, Q watched the multiverse progress. Q saw stars form and die in an instant and an eternity. Then, all of Q's thoughts screeched to a halt. Q did a double take. Only one single thought ran through Q's mind at that instant. He saw a funeral service… for DATA! Data, the android who had saved Q's life when the continuum had made him human. "Well, screw that!" snap Time reversed itself. Data never died. Picard's clone never existed. Wedding vows had just been exchanged. Q smiled. Once more all was well with the universe. And with that Q returned to stargazing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gotta love fanfiction :-)


*sob*

This is... this is... beautiful!

I LOVE THIS!

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 8:58 am

Quote: Unlisshed @ Feb. 04 2011, 4:35 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

And when reading a long AU fanfic spanning the entire series and the movies on a growing relationship between Data and Tasha, I absolutely refused to read the last chapter! Gotta love fanfiction :-)
That wasn't 'Rollercoaster' by any chance, was it? If it wasn't you should check it out, it's a pretty good read.


Of course it was :-) I´ve read it all - up till chapter 59. Never finished it :-) There are more out there - especially a new one somewhat along the same lines, but still a very different story: Big Doors. If you love Rollercoaster, you´re likely to enjoy this one, too.

If there is nothing wrong with me, then maybe there´s something wrong with the universe? -Dr. Crusher

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 9:01 am

Let there be MUSIC!



For something sophisticated... (edit: I accidentally had the wrong link, it is fixed now!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaEcP5NC-xo


 


For something funny...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yegUWbv6oyo


 


For something SAD... *sniff*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8dDiUpKMqk


 


For something a little wistful... but nice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeyplUvxztE


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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 9:46 am

Data is a signature Star Trek character. Even though Isaac Asimov's stories about sentient robots was a real influence on the development of Data, it really was a pleasure to watch his character.

"You little life forms, little lifeforms, dodododoo."

"Can you detect midi - chlorians with a tricorder?"

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 9:49 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

I agree that Data matured a lot - already during the series. The Data from the first season is a child compared to the one in the latter seasons. Haven´t seen the movies, so I can´t be the judge of that. But I was told what happened to him in Nemesis, and thought it was absolutely stupid - no matter how human it would make him. (Do we want him to be absolutely human?) And when reading a long AU fanfic spanning the entire series and the movies on a growing relationship between Data and Tasha, I absolutely refused to read the last chapter! As a matter of fact, there is a tiny little fanfic that "fixes" the problem nicely. Maybe Paramount should simply take that as the opening scene of the next movie. Let me copy it in (it´s only some 200 words... but I love it!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Snap" Synopsis: Q learns of the events during Nemesis. Infinite webs of thought spun through the mind of the being known only as Q (well, on one small planet in the gamma quadrant he was known as the God of Lies, but never mind that). At any single moment, Q knew every subatomic particle in the universe within a parsec of his consciousness; and at will could view anyplace and anytime in the whole of the multiverse. The human term stargazing seems so weak when used to describe Q's current engagement. However, "stargazing" was exactly what Q was doing at that moment. Caught up in a rare state of awe, Q watched the multiverse progress. Q saw stars form and die in an instant and an eternity. Then, all of Q's thoughts screeched to a halt. Q did a double take. Only one single thought ran through Q's mind at that instant. He saw a funeral service… for DATA! Data, the android who had saved Q's life when the continuum had made him human. "Well, screw that!" snap Time reversed itself. Data never died. Picard's clone never existed. Wedding vows had just been exchanged. Q smiled. Once more all was well with the universe. And with that Q returned to stargazing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gotta love fanfiction :-)


Wow, I love this!


"I do not believe it is justified to sacrifice one life-form for another."-Data

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Report this Feb. 04 2011, 10:21 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 8:58 am

Quote: Unlisshed @ Feb. 04 2011, 4:35 am

Quote: konarciq @ Feb. 04 2011, 2:34 am

And when reading a long AU fanfic spanning the entire series and the movies on a growing relationship between Data and Tasha, I absolutely refused to read the last chapter! Gotta love fanfiction :-)
That wasn't 'Rollercoaster' by any chance, was it? If it wasn't you should check it out, it's a pretty good read.
Of course it was :-) I´ve read it all - up till chapter 59. Never finished it :-) There are more out there - especially a new one somewhat along the same lines, but still a very different story: Big Doors. If you love Rollercoaster, you´re likely to enjoy this one, too.


I do enjoy that one!!
The author who wrote 'Rollercoaster', is doing a sequel called 'Orpheus', it's a bit out there, but still enjoyable. Have you read that?

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