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Why the "Star Trek" Franchise Died

UFP2009

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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 12:47 pm

I also agree. Too many fans are caught up in details and crap that doesn't matter.


What century does it take place in?


Between the22nd and 23rd centuries



How much will the Romulans be in it?


Enough to give it a fresh start



Can they bring Data back?


They can bring back Dr. Soon creating Data.


 


Let's show some new gadgetry and technology?


The progress made after Enterprise.


 


It should have guest appearances from other casts.


There would be cameo appearrances by Enterprise cast as older ST royalty.


 


Seriously, NONE of that crap matters...and this is where most "fans" are missing the entire point of the franchise and the endless possibilities that exist for adventure and character relationships.


 


You are right! This is why the technology is secondary to the adventure and special effects; this is why TOS told a good story and is still watched today though the tech. is a little out dated.


So my idea for another prequal or a sequal to Enterprise makes more sense than all the others; UFP must be the next series.


P.S. I almost forgot, serious battle scenes with the Klingons.


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UFP2009

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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 12:59 pm

Quote: Sora @ Feb. 06 2011, 11:06 am

>To answer this question in a nutshell, Star Trek died because the fans SUCK!!!! It's that simple. They claim to be fans, and then go out of their way to trash it EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY GET!!! And then they wonder why we can't seem to recruit any new fans, when they're going out and telling the world, no don't watch it, don't like it, it sucks. And then they wonder why we're stuck with reboot films. It's extremely stupid.


ST is not dead only dormant.


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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 1:09 pm

I never knew the thing died. I was a solitary fan for a long time. Wasn't until the last two or so years that this even came to my attention. I don't run with the crowd; I like what I like, and if there be those who share my interests, great. I'm not someone who anaylzes of everything, but, I know that I appreciate what I am satisfied to be material dramatic and engaging enough for me, with characters I am loyal to and love. What irks me, is to see some fans imply that, for example, you are a bufooon for liking the new film, or implying that I might be less a fan, because I don't run an episode through the sifter. Being a fan is, at its heart, at least in part, an emotional experience. Yes, one can study and point out the various hows and whys, and, in some ways, as regarding characters, for ex, I can see that. But, I love st in various forms for BOTH the characters and their relationships, and the sci-fi adventure that each one represents. It's ENTERTAINMENT...yes, when at its highest form, thought-provoking fare. As long as I find something in it that gives me satisfaction, enriches me emotionally, and fires my imagination, I don't care what a critic may say, or point out, about any of my choices, whether this or that segment of fandom agrees with it or not. As I've said before, at end of day, when the computer is off, or the tv is on, and we're each of us alone to delve back into our respective treks..it doesn't matter what the rest of the universe thinks...


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Report this Mar. 15 2011, 7:57 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Feb. 06 2011, 2:06 pm

Quote: UFP2009 @ Feb. 06 2011, 7:01 am

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>The ST franchise is not dead; however, I believe Abrams damaged it with his lack of ST knowledge.

>To get it back on track, and I have been saying this for a while now, The UFP TV series must be made.

>Many don't agree with me but this is the only way to save ST.

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But this is "Why They Can't Listen to the Fans 101." Just because YOU think something would be Star Trek's ultimate expression, there's just as many others who would hate it. 80% of the Star Trek fans who try to answer the question of "what to do with the franchise" don't think about it OBJECTIVELY. They simply try to come up wiht a creative idea that satisfies their personal views of what the franchise needs. Unfortunately, for every fan that thinks Star Trek: Enterprise should return, there's just as many who want JJ Abram's rebot to be on TV and there's just as many who want "Romulan War Trek" or "Temporal Trek" or "Post Nemesis NEXT Next Generation Trek" or whatever other fanwanky crap everyone has come up with 1000 times.
First of all, I have been watching ST since the 60s and I am 52 years old.


I am also an idea man and before I say some thing I look at the big picture. I have ideas for intermittent uniforms, weapons and ships. I know that if I had a chance at sitting down with ST producers, I will convince them of my series idea.


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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 6:45 am

Quote: UFP2009 @ Mar. 15 2011, 7:57 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Feb. 06 2011, 2:06 pm

Quote: UFP2009 @ Feb. 06 2011, 7:01 am

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>The ST franchise is not dead; however, I believe Abrams damaged it with his lack of ST knowledge.

>To get it back on track, and I have been saying this for a while now, The UFP TV series must be made.

>Many don't agree with me but this is the only way to save ST.

>
But this is "Why They Can't Listen to the Fans 101." Just because YOU think something would be Star Trek's ultimate expression, there's just as many others who would hate it. 80% of the Star Trek fans who try to answer the question of "what to do with the franchise" don't think about it OBJECTIVELY. They simply try to come up wiht a creative idea that satisfies their personal views of what the franchise needs. Unfortunately, for every fan that thinks Star Trek: Enterprise should return, there's just as many who want JJ Abram's rebot to be on TV and there's just as many who want "Romulan War Trek" or "Temporal Trek" or "Post Nemesis NEXT Next Generation Trek" or whatever other fanwanky crap everyone has come up with 1000 times.
First of all, I have been watching ST since the 60s and I am 52 years old.

I am also an idea man and before I say some thing I look at the big picture. I have ideas for intermittent uniforms, weapons and ships. I know that if I had a chance at sitting down with ST producers, I will convince them of my series idea.


 


Respectfully, I've been a fan for a long time too. But, if you can't convince fans on a message board, how are you going to convince executives that know far more about the harsh realities of series-based television?


Nobody is criticizing your creativity. I'm simply trying to add a dose of reality that "great ideas" don't equal "do-able televison series." It just doesn't work that way. We don't have to like it...but that's reality.


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JaydenJaneway

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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 10:10 am

Star Trek Has Not Died. I doubt it ever will. It has been a very successful franchise. Here's a list below of how successful the franchise has been.


* 5 series and nearly 800 episodes


* 11 movies


* Countless Books published


* Conventions


* Cruises


* An animated series


* Made millions with merchandise


* Web sites and message boards


* A huge Fan Base from all over the world


* Video games and much more.....


To think this Franchise is/or has Died is total Nonsense.


Star Trek has changed our world and will always be remembered, even hundreds of years from now if the Earth is still around.


I'm very proud to be a Fan of such a successful Franchise.


 


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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 2:51 pm

And interestingly, the one constant that has made it good was Leonard Nimoy's Mr. Spock. The longest surviving character appearing right at the very beginning in The Cage and bang up to date the recent reboot film. Mr. Spock is Star Trek ... Spock Trek


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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 4:25 pm

I don't think anybody is to blame why the franchise died. It was unrealistic to belive that ST will go on forever.


Star Trek created Gene Roddenbery's vision and imagination, but he is now dead. And everything created after he pased away where just copys and copys of a copys! allthough DS9 and VOY where good series you can't keep pushing it and creating more copys of a copys of a copys to


 





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Report this Mar. 16 2011, 5:02 pm

Quote: Ghostmojo @ Mar. 16 2011, 2:51 pm

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>And interestingly, the one constant that has made it good was Leonard Nimoy's Mr. Spock. The longest surviving character appearing right at the very beginning in The Cage and bang up to date the recent reboot film. Mr. Spock is Star Trek ... Spock Trek

>



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Report this Mar. 17 2011, 8:34 am

Y'know, I wonder how many people who have responded to this thread actually read the essay I copied.  I guess it was too long or something, because it doesn't look like most people here actually read it.  My bad.  That's the last time I do something like that.


 

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Report this Mar. 23 2011, 6:54 pm

Because it appealed to nerds only.

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Report this Mar. 23 2011, 7:18 pm

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but I'm sure it's been pointed out that the franchise isn't dead.  However, the Trek franchise we knew and loved is dead and has been replaced, permanently and irrevocably, by a relaunched franchise.


This isn't unique to Trek.  Every franchise has been relaunched in recent years.  Some franchises (Spiderman, and X-Men if I'm not mistaken -- I don't pay close attention to comic book stuff) have been relaunched twice within the lifetimes of current elementary school children.


It's not Star Trek's fault.  It's nothing they did wrong.  It just comes down to studios' lack of respect for fans and knowledge that they can make a quick buck by hyping a "new" version of an old story.


To be honest, I haven't seen the Abrams movie, and I don't plan to.  It hurts too much to see what they did to my favorite franchise.  I'm also a huge 007 fan, but I don't plan to watch any more Bond movies, since I hated the style of the two Daniel Craig movies.  I swore off Star Wars after Episode III and haven't looked back.


Maybe I sound like a curmudgeon, but I really don't think I am.  I just prefer to remember these things the way they used to be, the way I loved them.  What they have become no longer speaks to me on any level.


"We must strive to be more than we are, Lal. It does not matter that we will never reach our ultimate goal. The effort yields its own rewards." - Data, "The Offspring"

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Report this Mar. 23 2011, 8:03 pm

Re; parrothead117


 


I was like you too, I didn't go see the new movie and I despise supposed "new and improved" versions of the things I love the most, but months after it was released I talked myself in to watching it. While I'm not keen on the alternative universe thing - it was a pretty good movie. They were a lot more respectful than I expected.


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