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Which Star Trek Series do you feel has the strongest First Season?

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Report this Jan. 26 2011, 11:41 pm

TNG is what got me watching Star Trek too, but in my opinion anyway, yes TNG is a good series, but TNG Season 1, is not only the weakest season of TNG, but quite possibly one of the weakest seasons in all of Star Trek. It's a shock TNG got a 2nd season after it's first. But I thought Season 2 of TNG showed HUGE improvment. Seasons 3-7 were awesome.

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 4:39 am

TNG got me hooked on trek from the beginning. I think I just watched ds9 and voy in the beginning because they were trek. I couldn't get into the characters at first. I think ent learned a lesson in establishing the characters quickly and telling you who they were. In that sense, ent, I think, did the best early character development. Though TOS characters were slow to solidify for me, I loved how they just jumped in with radical ideas and facing issues. With tos and ent, they definitely were more raw in setting, not so clinical and clean, which I think helped too.

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 7:57 am

Quote: Sora @ Jan. 26 2011, 11:41 pm

TNG is what got me watching Star Trek too, but in my opinion anyway, yes TNG is a good series, but TNG Season 1, is not only the weakest season of TNG, but quite possibly one of the weakest seasons in all of Star Trek. It's a shock TNG got a 2nd season after it's first. But I thought Season 2 of TNG showed HUGE improvment. Seasons 3-7 were awesome.


TNG season 1 is terrible. If you read startrek.com's David Gerrold interview, some light is shed on why that was so. I too think it was amazing that TNG got a second season. I attribute that to a couple of factors. First, it's ratings were high because trekies and sci-fi fans were desperate for something. Second, it was in syndication and not on a network. If it was on a network and shown on primetime, it probably would've been cancelled.

I too thought season 2 was better. There were a handful of outstanding episodes in there, most especially The Measure of a Man, Q Who, and Elementary Dear Data. Worf's character got a boost by becoming head of security (which he should've been to start with), and the ship finally got a chief engineer with LaForge. The 10 Forward set was a great addition and Whoopi Goldberg's Guinan character was interesting. Finally, they allowed Jonathan Frakes to loosen Riker up. I hated Riker in the first season.

Despite that, season 2 still wasn't that good. Season 3, where Michael Pillar took over TNG's writing staff, is where I think TNG really took off. That's why I don't even have TNG seasons 1 and 2 on DVD. They're just not worth it, imo (well season 1 isn't anyway).

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 7:58 am

Quote: Sora @ Jan. 26 2011, 9:30 pm

Key word being jump lol that's one of the things I loved about Enterprise, is that it gave the Trek story more of a beginning than TOS did.


I don't think the "Trek story" necessarily needed a beginning. TOS's success was a testament to that.

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 8:02 am

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no that is what was great about it, it made it seem as if the federation and the Enterprise itself were already in functioning order and we just stepped into a five year mission, that is what was cool about it, it was both a standard routine mission and long enough to allow for new discovery.



Right!


>> sure they went all over the GALAXY and not the quadrant and for some reason they were always the only ship in the whole sector, but hey, some stories called for them to be alone and others required them to be part of a busy federation patrol in known space.



Of course they were often the only ship. At that time, Kirk's ship was exploring the frontier regions, unlike Picard's which seemed to patrol a more established part of the galaxy.

>> TOS was REAL good for the time and money; and covered a lot of ground.


as for things the first season of TOS did bad, they used "convergent evolution" too much AND on a societal/planetary scale AND there were too many Nazis. but hey, can't win them all.



Well, the reason for that was money. The parallel-evolution idea was right there in GR's original pitch for "Star Trek." It was a way to sell the show, by proposing stories that could make use of established sets to lower costs. The spin-offs, with their far greater budgets, didn't have to resort to those types of stories.

That said, I enjoyed most of those TOS episodes, especially Bread and Circuses.


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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 9:40 am

Quote: rocketscientist @ Jan. 27 2011, 8:02 am

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no that is what was great about it, it made it seem as if the federation and the Enterprise itself were already in functioning order and we just stepped into a five year mission, that is what was cool about it, it was both a standard routine mission and long enough to allow for new discovery.

Right!

>> sure they went all over the GALAXY and not the quadrant and for some reason they were always the only ship in the whole sector, but hey, some stories called for them to be alone and others required them to be part of a busy federation patrol in known space.

Of course they were often the only ship. At that time, Kirk's ship was exploring the frontier regions, unlike Picard's which seemed to patrol a more established part of the galaxy.

>> TOS was REAL good for the time and money; and covered a lot of ground.

as for things the first season of TOS did bad, they used "convergent evolution" too much AND on a societal/planetary scale AND there were too many Nazis. but hey, can't win them all.

Well, the reason for that was money. The parallel-evolution idea was right there in GR's original pitch for "Star Trek." It was a way to sell the show, by proposing stories that could make use of established sets to lower costs. The spin-offs, with their far greater budgets, didn't have to resort to those types of stories. That said, I enjoyed most of those TOS episodes, especially Bread and Circuses.


Agreed. The original Star Trek wasn't concerned with establishing or conforming to some giganticly complex, established universe. It was an adventure show set in outer space. That's essentially it, and it was all the better for it.

I also agree with the idea that TOS had the Enterprise "out on the frontier" a lot more than what was established in TNG. In TOS, it often seemed like the Enterprise was the lone ambassador of Federation interests in a vast area of space. Again, I think this gave the show a much more adventurous feel and provided more opportunity for drama. In TNG, as good as many of those stories were, I always felt like the Enterprise-D was just a well-armed courrier ship, and Picard was just a glorified errand boy.

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 9:47 am

I think all the reasons have been given above, so, I go for the first season of ENTERPRISE, shame it ends in the fourth thoug.

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 2:42 pm

I voted TOS but I think DS9 is pretty strong 2nd. Someone already said "Duet" is one of the greatest Star Trek episodes ever, I tottaly agree

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 5:35 pm

Thee nextt generation is always my first but i cannot bash other seasons since ive only seen bits and pieces of others (Now watching enterprise when it airs on tv)


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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 5:39 pm

Quote: jgvinha @ Jan. 27 2011, 2:42 pm

I voted TOS but I think DS9 is pretty strong 2nd. Someone already said "Duet" is one of the greatest Star Trek episodes ever, I tottaly agree


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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 6:37 pm

Quote: dredrian @ Jan. 27 2011, 9:47 am

I think all the reasons have been given above, so, I go for the first season of ENTERPRISE, shame it ends in the fourth thoug.


Agreed, I really wish Enterprise had 7 seasons. It's final 3 seasons probably would've been INCREDIBLE.

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Report this Jan. 27 2011, 8:23 pm

TOS is definitely silly at times, but it's still an awesome classic. I think it will always remain a classic, right up there with The Twilight Zone and shows like that.

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Report this Jan. 28 2011, 7:34 pm

I'm a nut for serialization, so I need to go DS9 over TOS, but it is hard to argue with original Trek.

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