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The Vanguard Thread

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 21 2011, 3:15 pm

We have a thread on book 3 but I picked up book 1 and like it so much I figured we should start a thread for the entire series.


 


 


 


So far, it feels like a 23rd century DS9.  I love the espinoge, which David Mack is especially skilled at.  Commodore Reyes is a great centerpiece character, stern yet soft.  Of course I got attached to the Bombay crew, especially the chief engineer, Tellarite with pink hair, and helms(wo)man and was looking forward to more of them.  I didn't think I could get as hooked on an original crew like I did New Frontier but there is good potential here.  Book 1 is hard to put down.  Hopefully I'll have my review up on Monday with questions for you guys who have read it.

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Report this Jan. 22 2011, 2:21 pm

I'd suggest giving book one a try. Even if you aren't into the station and vanguard "cast", it has some insightful enterprise story.

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Report this Jan. 24 2011, 7:49 am

Book 1: Harbinger (I tired not to ruin it if you didn't read it)
I want to thank you guys who read these, including David Mack himself, for encouraging me to pick this up. It was a great read with only a few bits that didn’t work for me. I will definitely pick up the rest though it bothers me that the Kindle downloads cost as much as the cover price though the book is out of print and the old paperbacks are much cheaper; you would think lowering the cost of out of print books would help readers get hooked for the newer ones. I think what really helped make the book come alive was the wonderful art by Doug Drexler as well as the diagrams and character sketches in the back that help these off screen characters and place come alive; I wish such character sketches had been included in New Frontier. I also wish David Mack and IDW would work together to make a Vanguard comic so we can see the characters and station interior, or at least have the next book cover be a cast portrait of sorts. My only worry for the station itself is the drydock is barely big enough to hold a Constitution, it will be obsolete by the time these are replaced by the next line of larger cruisers though it makes a great Spacedock predecessor.

I really love Commodore Reyes. He reminds me of those frontier fort commanders from Western stories I used to follow. He has a great sarcastic nature which made a great scene when he gets the upper hand in a debate with Kirk. Then soon after, you see his softer side in regards to his mother and girlfriend. I think that David Mack, Peter David, and whoever brought Vaughn to DS9 did a better job establishing their COs in their opening books than the show pilots did, but I guess maybe books give them that ability.

I’m also glad I read this book before Typhon Pact 4 since it gives good Tholian backstory. I love the lattice/hive mind. However, I didn’t think the UFP encountered the Tholians before “The Tholian Web” and here they are major players in astropolitics. That was another great thing, the term “astropolitics.” I don’t think I’ve seen it used before and I think it needs to be used more frequently in Trek.

The story structure was well laid out. I thought the affair between Pennington and Oriana was just filler but it set him up to be at the right place at the right time in the unfolding of developments. And why did I have to get so attached to the Bombay crew!?!

The TOS insight is also good. I enjoyed the emphasis of the newness of Kirk and the oldness of the Enterprise. This was done well when the 2 individuals were discussing how they had never heard of Kirk and referred to Pike leaving as “an end of an era.” I also like how the transition in uniforms is mentioned. David Mack clearly likes the TOS miniskirts (and I can’t blame him, just bought one for the wife).

I’m hoping we get more back story on T’Prynn. The character is an interesting, complex Vulcan with a Pon Farr issue that trumps that of Dr Selar in New Frontier. Lastly, I like the inclusion of how homosexuality would be dishonorable in Klingon society since I feel homosexuality wouldn’t be an issue in the open culture of the UFP but would expect it to be in Klingon culture where marriage alliances and birthing children would be important in their closed society; this simple bit was very insightful.

I look forward to book 2.

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Report this Jan. 24 2011, 3:17 pm

I forgot, I loved the line "Justice has a long memory." I don't know where it's from but I plan on using it.

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Report this Jan. 24 2011, 4:14 pm

A very good series, indeed! I highly recommend it! I like that it's set in TOS, yet is a good stand alone series along the lines of ST:New Frontier. Some new characters mixed with some that we've come to know and love over time

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Report this Jan. 31 2011, 11:32 am

I liked that Typhon Pact 4: Paths of Disharmony built upon the Vanguard story. Vanguard fans should definitely read it.

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Report this Feb. 08 2011, 4:41 am

Just got book 2. After Typhon 4, I couldn't wait to pick it up. The Daedalus on the cover has me intrigued.

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Report this Feb. 08 2011, 9:05 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Jan. 24 2011, 7:49 am

Book 1: Harbinger (I tired not to ruin it if you didn't read it) I want to thank you guys who read these,


Your welcome! At least, I think I mentioned it to you in a thread..well, it was a thread we were both talking about. lol

Good review without spoiling barely anything. That first book is addicting. I didn't think the Bombay would be destroyed. The Tholian stuff is cool and different. I like the incursion of Kirk and the Enterprise as side stuff. Definitely a HUGE DS9 feel..which is a GOOD thing! ;-D

I enjoyed the T'Prynn storyline and her conversation w/ Spock. I couldn't put book 1 down, same for book 2, and am currently reading book 3. After Harbinger, I bought the rest of the series. Trust me, it's THAT good.

Haven't got to Typhon Pact book 3 or 4 yet. But if 4 builds upon Vanguard story..that is just awesome! =D

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Report this Feb. 09 2011, 4:00 am

Having read typhon 4 before finishing the vanguard series, I recommend finishing vanguard first. With new frontier, titan, and vanguard, I'm impressed at how well the authors and editors have been able to create original series, characters, and settings under the trek banner. They certainly deserve as much credit and recognition as those who spear headed the television series.

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Report this Feb. 09 2011, 8:31 am

I also like the "Naval Feel" to Vanguard. IT gives it more of a realistic feel to the series.

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Report this Feb. 18 2011, 1:42 pm


Vanguard 2 Summon the Thunder


This book kept the momentum of the first but didn’t increase the appeal much to me.  It had 4 good action sequences pretty well distributed to keep the pace up and did a good job increasing the mystery of the Taurus genome while filling in a bit by introducing the Shendai.  I didn’t find it kept me as hooked as book 1 but it did leave me wanting to know what happens next.  There was some excellent character development, especially among the Endeavor crew with its reluctant captain.  I also enjoyed the introduction of the USS Lovell, the rundown Daedalus that the engineers had turned into their private engineering toy; I’ve never read SCE material and enjoyed this introduction to them.  It also had some nice twists in it, such as the Klingon agent now being a double agent.  The fight scenes were also well described so I was able to get a pretty good mental picture; the image of the impaled Denobulan just won’t leave my brain.  I found some of the dialog dry though and hope some of the scenes have significance in later books otherwise they were needless filler, specifically all those having to do with the Romulans. 


 


I definitely am looking forward to the next one.

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Report this Feb. 19 2011, 12:34 pm

My wife and I were just discussing that a strength of the Vanguard books is you never know when someone is going to die.  With so much character development, even among those soon to be killed, it is never obvious when there is going to be a death, adding to the suspense.


 


I like that New Frontier does this, but Vanguard seems to do a better job, at least at 2 books in.

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Report this Feb. 22 2011, 4:14 pm

I noticed there will be 2 Vanguard books this year.  One is an anthology of stories from throughout the story and the other, I assume is the next book in the series.  Guess I need to finish the ones that are out.

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Report this Feb. 24 2011, 11:54 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Feb. 22 2011, 4:14 pm

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>I noticed there will be 2 Vanguard books this year.  One is an anthology of stories from throughout the story and the other, I assume is the next book in the series.  Guess I need to finish the ones that are out.

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And I'm pumped for these. The stories one looks sweet, and the next books in the series should be awesome.


Book 2 I felt improved on book 1. But, I'm one of those ST readers who loves the little things, like the politics, or random everyday talk between characters, or everyday happening on a ship or Vanguard itself. Those things appeal to me, and the actions scenes just add to it.


Book 3 was good as well with more Shedai fights and more insight into the Shedai. It was sad what happened to T'Prynn. I liked the charcter turn for Quinn. Made sense.


I liked that Clark Terrell was in the book as well.


Currently reading Book 4, very good so far.


Btw, I love Dr. Fisher and Dr. M'Benga's characters.


Diego Reyes is the man! 

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Report this Feb. 25 2011, 5:46 am

I'm halfway through book 3 right now.  Yes, the Shedai development is incredible.

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