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Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 17 2011, 8:15 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Mar. 17 2011, 6:00 am

>Granted, such expeditions are more exciting. Skylab suffered the same problem, it wasn't as exciting as Apollo. However, it provided much more useful science to the common man. That is why politicians need to not have a powerful voice in NASA direction. Politicians want to excite people to get reelected and don't care about or understand which programs actually are the best investment for society. They also want something ready to go in 4 years. Before we leap beyond Earth's orbital space, we need an orbital terminal or drydock. We've known that since von Braun. No one wants a moon base more than me, but that outpost will yield little if we don't first have a transfer point in LEO.


True, but I think you give too much power to the politicians. If their constituents were DEMANDING that NASA be fully funded or casting votes baed on how a politician leaned toward space exploration we would be discussing something else right now. More people in this country need to care and I think that foundation is laid in school.


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this Mar. 17 2011, 11:09 am

I partially agree. But it isn't just a school issue. It is also a cultural one. This is a culture that wants instant gratification and cares little about programs with long term benefits. The heros and celebrities are the movie stars, athletes, and singers rather than people who actually create useful things for society. The focus of people and the media is on entertainment.

Also, if a politician wants to cut an expensive military project or boondoggle, they are accused of "not supporting the troops". However, being accused of "not supporting the astronauts" and "not supporting the long term survival of humanity" doesn't resonate as well.

Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 17 2011, 12:40 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Mar. 17 2011, 11:09 am

>I partially agree. But it isn't just a school issue. It is also a cultural one. This is a culture that wants instant gratification and cares little about programs with long term benefits. The heros and celebrities are the movie stars, athletes, and singers rather than people who actually create useful things for society.


The fact that somethig called a Snooki can become famous makes me very sad and concerned about the future.


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

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Report this Mar. 17 2011, 6:44 pm

2takesfrakes

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Report this Mar. 18 2011, 10:36 am

Matthias Russell is so right, that NASA needs to
fire its Public Relations. It's such a chore watching
NASA TV! It's really amazing how they can screw up
making even a shuttle launch look cool. It's just
dreadful, the presentation, the commentary, it's so
god damn BORING! Something you can't accuse Snooki
of being! Ahh ... Will these NASA eggheads never learn?


Matthias Russell

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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 6:35 pm

And Bush is just as responsible because of his underfunding of Consellation.  NASA being on life support is a bipartisan failing.


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Report this Mar. 20 2011, 9:20 pm

Agreed. The space program at some point became an easy political punching bag. Even Florida's House delegation and Senators have not been able to save it, and they have not even tried that hard. 


I would like to advance a theory. People stopped looking at the program with awe when the Challenger exploded. Any thoughts? 


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j3067

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Report this Mar. 21 2011, 4:08 am

I had always looked at the cold war as a driving factor for the space program. The planet went from sputnik to the moon in 12 years.  I would say that the landscape changes in the early 90s also contributed to the decline.

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Report this Mar. 21 2011, 5:21 am

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Mar. 20 2011, 9:20 pm

Agreed. The space program at some point became an easy political punching bag. Even Florida's House delegation and Senators have not been able to save it, and they have not even tried that hard. 

I would like to advance a theory. People stopped looking at the program with awe when the Challenger exploded. Any thoughts? 

People stopped looking at NASA with awe
during APOLLO. After Armstrong's big first,
every flight after was a repeat. Same rockets,
same moon, same type of men playing in its sand.

And most of the technologies APOLLO created in
the Private Sector no longer required NASA sending
people to the moon. The public had gotten all it was
going to, springing for NASA's costly feel-good missions.
Thusly, NASA's spin on how its mission benefits us peasants.

APOLLO's 1 and 13, CHALLENGER and all ... they evoked the
sympathy of the nation and the world - not their resentment.
Sending so much stuff into space has left the lasting impression
that Space Flight is routine, however. That, combined with NASA's
wholesome image and government origins aren't doing it any favors ...

Trekwolf164

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Report this Mar. 21 2011, 6:24 am

I suspect NASA has fan's like Trek has fan's


I personally have never missed a TV launch or landing.


My Uncle was an employee of RCA and worked on the lunar landing program.


Now he is a Professor at NJIT.


The Saturn V's were to build the original concept Space Station.


The Shuttle was to be a Space Truck.


New planes were to be developed to reach Earth orbit and transfer crews from Station to Earth.


Then the budget was slashed the Saturn V's used up and the Space Truck became an Orbital observation platform and crew transport


 


Here is a NASA article on Space Station design no mention of Sky Lab or the Saturn V program.


http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast26may_1m/


www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdZla4gKk0

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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 9:42 am


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Report this Mar. 22 2011, 7:34 pm

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