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2takesfrakes

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Report this Jan. 17 2011, 12:56 pm

State your opinions on NASA, here.
On whether you feel it serves the
American people, and indeed, the
people of the world.


Or does it fall short, somehow ...
Has it been, or is it heading,
in the wrong direction?


Does it represent the optomism and
expansive vision of the future it
claims to cherish?



In short, do you feel that the
Space Program is a VALUE for
what we're getting out of it?


Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Jan. 17 2011, 1:46 pm

I personally love the fact it has brought jobs and money to the state that I live in, and that it has achieved so much, but as long as there are people to help here on THIS planet it seems that money would be better spent just observing the universe, rather than trying to send people out into space.

"Can you detect midi - chlorians with a tricorder?"

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 17 2011, 7:20 pm

I guess I'm expected to weigh in on this. One of the biggest things people don't understand about NASA is it is far more than just the space agency, it also studies atmospheric science and aerodynamic research. The second thing people don't understand is that the NASA budget amounts to a fraction of a penny of every federal dollar. That fraction makes airplanes more efficient, weather satellites, studying the planets, putting men in space, and reaching out to the Muslim world (you probably don't realize our administrator said this).


In 30 years, though the shuttle has not delivered what it originally promised, it is still the only vehicle capable of bringing back to earth massive payloads, satellite repair, and constructing massive orbital complexes. The hubble has delivered the finest pieces of art of the 20th century and awed us with the magnificence of God's paint brush. We have delivered medicines and geriatric studies to help improve life on earth. We have laid the groundwork for deep space exploration by learning how to continually live in space for longer and longer periods. There is a lot of hate out there for shuttle. But even though Space X and Scaled Composites have been incredible, they are no where near to matching the abilities of the shuttle, nor with they without the kind of bank roll a government provides.


The ISS has done more for international diplomacy in the past 10 years than any diplomat by teaching many countries how to cooperate for a common goal and make conflicting cultures and technology work together in a hostile environment.

And hopefully, I don't need to tell you all the benefits of Apollo. But Apollo brought the world together when Armstrong stepped on the moon, and again in Apollo 17 with the photo "blue marble", the only picture of the entire earth in existence. We went to the moon, lived in the most hostile world imaginable, worse than Mars and came back. Apollo was not only inspiring and the greatest feat of the soth century but it gave humans technology we use everyday and don't realize the source. WD-40, for example.

All that said. NASA is a lame horse due to political blundering. Blundering that destroyed 2 space shuttles and now has handicapped the agency so bad, Americans will be out of space for 10 years. Oh wait, no, the politicians signed a contract with Russia so American boys will be flying on a Russian machine older than Apollo for the price of the American shuttle, but CNN doesn't want to tell you that. NASA has done great things and was a great organization. But now, it is a joke to Americans and their leaders who don't care and have stripped her ad left her in the cold. NASA's glory days are gone and will be until the Chinese are close to landing on the moon. Let's all hope life on Earth isn't threatened in the meantime because NASA was our best hope in learning how to keep human life going if Earth is threatened. But political and social apathy has left us stranded on Earth and some of the greatest minds without a job.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Jan. 17 2011, 8:42 pm

Naturally, the MR perspective
was hoped for, even expected,
but I didn't expect such a
thorough response! Thanks MR!

It IS unfortunate that NASA
has lost its way. But on problem
NASA always has had - and I blame
this on it being governmental - is
that its Public Relations Department
blows. It does NOT know how incite a
sense of wonder about NASA's mission.

Had it not been for this failure, the
public may have taken a more active
interest and concern for its welfare.
Naturally, the economy plays a part,
but being in charge of its own public
relations has not done it any favors.

dryson

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Report this Jan. 18 2011, 1:55 am

The real reason that NASA is not a profound cultural institute like it was is because of American's beign scared to death of anything that may incure the wrath of the terrorist. Most noteably the ones who are behind the conspiracy to bring NASA down are those who did not graduate High School and follow the Pagan doctrine of living life. A life that is simple and without too much thought involved. When thought is involved those who have based their lives on the fundamentals of religion finally realize that they have fallen for the sweet nectar that they have laid before them in their own Venus Fly Trap. They think that if they get rid of the systems that have taken over their methods of spreading their own delusion that the planet will return to a state of pre-internet and space travel era in which they can be reborn into the world again.


Basically there are too many sociopathic lobbyist groups trying to get media attention and money from Washington D.C. Washington D.C. politicians live on the drama created to get votes of which the simple minded person more readily accepts because it is easy to lie and conspire than it is to actually pick up a science book and learn about the truth of matter, particles atoms etc.


Blame it on the pagan church for what is happening.


A bullfrog with a light in its belly is nothing more than a glutton looking to shine otherwise.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 18 2011, 4:15 am

That was random, slightly true, but mostly off base in this instance.

Yes, NASA PR is a disgrace. Granted, they are better at using social media than other government agencies and have twitter followers attend launches now. But other agencies don't need social media. DoD funding and public opinion we'll never be an issue. The CIA isn't going to tweet who they assassinate. The FDA had no use for you following them either.

Most Americans don't know when we are having a launch or what the point of the mission is. The just think oooooooooohhhhhh, pretty fireworks and please don't kill anybody. NASA hasn't bothered to tell people the benefits from shuttle/ISS that affect you everyday or what benefits come from colonizing the moon. But then, Americans don't care about math and science, they care about which actor its cheating on his spouse. This is a reactive society where the norm is only disturbed after people are killed or america us losing face. The only politicians who care about NASA are the ones from states where NASA employs many people. No one cares more than Bill Nelson but even he has been separating himself lately even though he flew on the shuttle with the current NASA administrator.

NASA doesn't speak loud enough and the public doesn't want to listen anyways. So enjoy putting your tax dollars into the Russian economy until 2020 and not seeing an American craft outside LEO until the Chinese have planted a flag in the moon.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 18 2011, 6:33 am

Some weekend NASA news:

Space News interviewed NASA Administrator Charles Bolden about Congress's directive asking NASA to build a heavy-lift rocket. Bolden said he did not "think it stretches our resources too thin at all" despite an "interim" report that NASA could not afford to do so. Bolden reiterated that that was an "interim" report that "ideally if we can find a way to make it happen, the baseline reference vehicles will be the vehicles of the future." Bolden did say that NASA was open to alternatives. Bolden stressed that the public should not "put too much stock" in reports he called for about exploration plans as he asked for them to determine how NASA can proceed "efficiently" and more affordably. At the end of the interview, when asked about comments that he is not accessible to the media, Bolden said, "I would encourage people to look at what I've been doing and stop listening to people saying I'm not doing something."


The Wall Street Journal covered the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel report that found that astronaut safety is in danger because of the continuing NASA policy debate and NASA's new spacecraft design rules. While NASA's rules will require new spacecraft to have a better chance of success than the shuttle, the panel did not think the improvement was enough. The risks would be greater, according to the panel, due to "lack of clarity and constancy of purpose among NASA, Congress and the White House."


Orlando Sentinel reported, "NASA's human-spaceflight program, once a symbol of America's technical supremacy, is flailing." According to the article, it is "being pulled apart by burdensome congressional demands, shrinking federal budgets, greedy contractors, a hidebound bureaucracy and an ambitious new commercial space industry that wants to shake up the status quo." Furthermore, plans to put NASA "back on track" are "unraveling" because of Congress' demands. After NASA said it could not build a heavy-lift rocket for its current budget, the article noted some Senators told NASA to "try harder" to build it. "NASA spokesman Michael Braukus said the agency 'is committed to finding the necessary efficiencies to drive costs down'" even as, the article reported, "new aerospace entrepreneurs, led by Elon Musk of SpaceX, are pressing NASA privately for an opportunity to show that, given the chance, they could build NASA's new rocket at a fraction of the cost."


Glenn Smith, former manager of shuttle systems engineering, wrote on the "unintended consequences" to the change in NASA's policy that encourages development for commercial spacecraft to launch astronauts. Smith noted that now, the public expects "perfect crew safety" that will require "an adequate test flight program plus flight experience with continued vigilance" to ensure the necessary safety levels. Smith also does not think commercial companies will invest in safety because they will look to control costs. "It is doubtful that any US private company would invest more than a token amount unless NASA would essentially guarantee either a profit or freedom from financial risk." While "commercial cargo launches may work quite well," Smith does not think it will be the same for crew launches and because of the need for NASA funding, commercial crew development "likely will compete for funds in NASA's human spaceflight budget for many years to come."


"NASA's HD iPad app is a fantastic creation, so it's great to see the space people finally bring something to Android. But it's not one of its most exciting creations, instead offering a mobile version of its NASA Spinoff portal." The NASA Spinoff app offers "a good amount of content in here. A timeline of NASA innovations is good for boning up on what it's been up to since it was founded in 1958, plus there's a simple Google Maps tab showing where many NASA inventions can be found around you today. Plus there's an occasionally updated news feed."


Space.com reported "The same technology that helped Apollo astronauts drill for rock samples on the surface of the moon eventually returned to Earth and gave rise to the battery-operated miniature vacuum cleaner." Black & Decker "developed most of the inner workings" for their DustBuster vacuum cleaner "as the result of a partnership with NASA for the Apollo moon landings between 1963 and 1972." According to the article, "while the device helped Apollo astronauts successfully return samples from the moon, the technology behind it proved to have some valuable uses on Earth as well" for areas like "the automobile, construction and medical industries, as well as for the average consumer."

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Report this Jan. 18 2011, 12:33 pm

NASA needs more public support to get the government funding it needs. Other governments are pouring money in to their own space programs, and we're on the way of losing our number one status, if the public doesn't act soon.

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Report this Jan. 18 2011, 8:57 pm

NASA isn't perfect, but it's the US's only official space program. Are the European Space Agency, the Russian (formerly Soviet), Japanese, Chinese or Indian programs any better? Sometimes the ESA seems more open and more innovative, but NASA doesn't tell us all the projects they have going on in secret.
I'm just thankful that we are finally advanced enough to realize that space exploration is worthwhile and is a step toward a better future.

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 4:00 am

The tax paying public doesn't think space travel is worthwhile, that's the problem. Plus NASA doesn't have innovative black projects, the USAF does but their advances aren't going toward manned space travel or the advancement of mankind, just how to do a better job of killing them without getting ourselves killed.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 8:45 am

If Venus, let's say, turned out to
only be hot, due to its HOT wymin,
would SPACE TRAVEL have gotten the nod
THEN, I wonder? Uh, YEAH! I think SO!!!

But there's nothing in this solar system
that's anything but what's hostile and
desolate. And I think it really miffs us
that it's just the purview of the chosen
few ... the best of the best. Flipping the
bill for their CO$TLY FEEL GOOD MISSIONS
annoys ME, too!

OK, Neil, what do you have to show for
all those billions we spent on getting
your name in the HISTORY BOOKS?

"Rocks. Sand. Pretty pictures. Some
incidental data ... that's about it."

.......... WELL!!! Isn't that special?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 9:33 am

One of the Apollo 11 boys had an interesting half joke before the launch, probably Collins. He said they should take some gold dust with them and sprinkle it in one of the sample bags. Then we would keep going back to the moon trying to find that gold. $$$

2takesfrakes

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 12:17 pm

Mike Collins is COOL!!!

I just don't see a NEED
for a MANNED Space Program,
with all of its expense and
risk, when it can ALL be done
with probes, anyway.

Not to mention, the MANNED focus
takes monies away from other HIGH
priority SCIENCE missions, that are
put on hold or scrapped, altogether.
All for Status ... and Prestige ...

The past few years, however, I've been
really glad to see NASA repurposing the
probes we've already got out there, like
DEEP IMPACT, for instance. They should've
been looking into that, from the beginning.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 1:46 pm

What good and meaning is there if it doesn't lead to leaving the cradle and colonization?

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 5:19 pm

Ha! NASA always says that, the public doesn't.

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