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Of Gods and Men

Ezri Janeway

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Report this May. 25 2011, 12:01 pm

Quote: SunshineSuperwoman @ May. 24 2011, 8:28 pm

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>Leeta is definitely better in green! Also, I'd like to point out how freakin' built and hot Harry kim is in this series, compared to his total lack of sex appeal as the nice, responsible guy on voyager.

>I don't know why we're attracted to the bad boys, but Rar!

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Oh? Ok going to try real hard to settle early enough and watch this tonight.


Going in with as open a mind as poss. I have to say as an ex luvvie dahling Im suspicious to the point of anxiety when it comes to 'am dram', Ive seen some fantastic am dram shows and films which blow you away, but the flip side of that can leave one with deep scars.


Having said that Ill enthusiastically support anyone wanting to give it a go and the idea of fans and pros alike getting together to have fun with Trek is very exiting.


Will it be any good at all? Will the bad bits be forgivable? Will I want to watch it all again, or gouge my eyes out before the end? Find out soon, coming to a forum near you...


"Let me see if Ive got this straight. You're risking the ship, the crew, and the mission on the assumptions that Helkara and Leishman are engineering geniuses, Tharp is a piloting savant, our transporter chief can work miracles, and the Breen are unwilling to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack?" "Yup." "Damn I LOVE this job."

Treknoir

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Report this May. 25 2011, 12:14 pm

Okay. I'm on Act II. It's not horrible, but it's not good either. Most of the issues with the story, acting, and sfx have already been addressed so I won't repeat it. I do like Uhura's family, won't give anything else away for those who haven't seen the film.


And please stop the madness. You may positively loathe ST09, but that doesn't make this film one bit better.


Now to be fair, once you accept the limitations of the sfx and acting, it isn't bad. A tighter story, better acting, and sfx and it could be decent. I reserve the right to change this post once I finish watching the entire film.


And the Orion chick looks porn-ish with her "sexy" facial expressions and wooden acting. I just want someone to stick something in her mouth already. Might make the film more enjoyable for me. Don't judge me!


 


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

Treknoir

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Report this May. 25 2011, 2:05 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ May. 25 2011, 5:58 am

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>The script and writing are my number 1 issue.  Both OGAM and the first episode of Phase II were time travel/alternate universe stories.  OGAM was pretty much another mirror universe attempt but in this universe, the galaxy is complete mad without James Kirk.  It wasn't original or imaginitive to me and felt like fans pandering than really trying to be inventive. 

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Now that I have watched the whole film, this is my biggest issue. I can forgive the acting and sfx, but no Kirk equals galactic mayhem? Seriously? Seriously? And folks want to crap all over ST09 while praising OGAM? Seriously? Like there are no parallels that, IMO, were handled a helluva lot better in ST09.


No, I take all of that back. I absolutely hated the planet detroying weapon sequence. Imagine the Get Smart intro with a skillion entryways, except replace that with rainbow colored energy beams. It was like, red, yellow, blue, green, orange, purple, eccru, lavendar, scarlet, mint, eggplant, mango, sparkle, and BOOM No wait! Fuschia, burgundy, whitest white, off white, and now, no, ripple, ripple, ripple, and now BOOM!


Rant over. ANYWAY, the story itself isn't bad. If it were tightened up and executed better, it could be a decent episode.


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

guillermo.mejía

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Report this May. 25 2011, 6:07 pm

It's fun watching people's reaction to the film for the first time. Reminds me of mine, which is summarized as followed in chronological order. (MEDIUM SPOILER ALERT):


Oh hey, Charlie's old, funny.


1701-M.......WTF???


Only ship in the region? Uhura got dropped off less than 30 minutes ago! Did her her transwarp to the Galactic Barrier or something??


Mirror Universe, but NOT Mirror Universe?


Bold move blowing up Vulcan (today, this is ironic, lol)


So, no Kirk = equals Galactic Doom? Good grief, Kirk is the reason Mitchell was on the Enterprise to begin with!


Mitchell vs Charlie, lol


(ending scene of the film) I can't imagine Harriman without that bloody beard now...


"Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." - Scotty, The Miracle Worker since 2265.

SunshineSuperwoman

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Report this May. 26 2011, 12:34 am

I think it's better. I enjoyed it more. To be fair though, I haven't seen st09 since 09. Again though, it was like a million times less expensive. 


 


 


 

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Report this May. 26 2011, 7:47 am

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>People do realize the Orion girl is Chase Masterson, DS9's Leeta, right?

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I found that out after watching the film. She was awful. Not sure what she was trying to go for other than a ST porn spoof. I was half expecting an orgy in the turbolift. Which, if you REALLY admit it, would have improved the movie DRAMATICALLY.


 


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

Matthias Russell

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Report this May. 26 2011, 8:11 am

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>I agree with Treknoir about the Orion girl. A prefessional actor deliberately playing it pornish for the boys. I really don't think that the Star Trek male fans are all that shallow to need that though

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Have you met 2takes and me?


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Report this May. 26 2011, 10:19 am

I enjoyed Of Gods And Men but it is not better from the new Star Trek movie. In both stories the writing can be improved though.

Ezri Janeway

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Report this May. 26 2011, 3:16 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ May. 26 2011, 8:11 am

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>Have you met 2takes and me?

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As shallow as two drips in an eggcup!


Well tonights the night! Ill be off to watch it shortly.


Cheers for the heads up on Leeta, er, whoever said it. People dont half look different with blue or green skin!


"Let me see if Ive got this straight. You're risking the ship, the crew, and the mission on the assumptions that Helkara and Leishman are engineering geniuses, Tharp is a piloting savant, our transporter chief can work miracles, and the Breen are unwilling to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack?" "Yup." "Damn I LOVE this job."

Ezri Janeway

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Report this May. 26 2011, 6:00 pm

Well I watched it.


Now I feel like the 3rd judge on Xfactor sat between Matthias and Sunshine because Im going to have to go with....... Sunshine!


What a fab romp! I didnt watch it as a cheap flick and instead decided to watch it as if it had been made around the same time as TOS complete with 60's special effects, that actually made the effects really good. To compare it to a high budget modern movie just isnt fair.


The acting was mostly very good, though some of the supporting cast could have done with a couple of workshops as most of them couldnt find the right expression. All accept the Mirror helmsman who displayed a range of emotions from fear to confusion to angry, so its a shame he was the vulcan.


The limited sets were believable, the script could have been better considering how heavily it was relied upon due to the fairly static directing, but the actors worked hard to pull it off and pretty much managed it.


Somehow they managed to cram it all in when it came to the doffing of caps to Trek what with the bad guys turning good at the nod of a head (literally), two universes, 1 space station and more ships than tribbles. Not to mention the epic space battles raging away while two beings had their God like punch up on the planet. Lots of good v evil all wrapped up in the high morals of Trek. And of course a nice little twist at the end to make everything all ok again.


I think they missed a few jokes to be honest but it was a great tongue in cheek moment when they destroyed Vulcan. I cant fathom why the whole of Vulcan wasnt able to evacuate in the time it took that weapon to hit its target, it was hilarious. Loved Mirror Chekov's wig, for real, it suited him and there were some nice suprises in there too. Most notably for me J.G. Hertzler, what a treat! And a Tribble! I was hoping for a Tribble all the way through so I was well chuffed.


Ill be watching it again as my son is going to love this, probably have to see it twice with him as Ill spend the first time pointing out a few familiar faces and enjoying his face, especially when he sees 'Neelix' minus wiskers and prosthetics.


Suspension of disbelief was needed in droves to enjoy this, but then isnt it always in Trek? I for one am not a fan of low budget and was wary the length of this film may drag on, but quite the opposite as the hour and a half'ish went real fast. But if your going to compare it to Trek then your just going to miss out on all the good stuff in this film. Its not Trek, its a fine tribute to Trek and a little gem of a fun film. I could go on but suffice to say liked this much more than I thought I would.


Did someone say theres to be a sequal? In the meantime I may check out some other Trek'ish films.


Thanks guys! Especially Sunshine without your adament insitence this film deserved a better chance I probably wouldnt have watched it.


Matthias, sorry, but with extra dots.......


"Let me see if Ive got this straight. You're risking the ship, the crew, and the mission on the assumptions that Helkara and Leishman are engineering geniuses, Tharp is a piloting savant, our transporter chief can work miracles, and the Breen are unwilling to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack?" "Yup." "Damn I LOVE this job."

guillermo.mejía

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Report this May. 26 2011, 9:09 pm

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>It's fun watching people's reaction to the film for the first time. Reminds me of mine, which is summarized as followed in chronological order. (MEDIUM SPOILER ALERT):

>Oh hey, Charlie's old, funny.

>1701-M.......WTF???

>Only ship in the region? Uhura got dropped off less than 30 minutes ago! Did her her transwarp to the Galactic Barrier or something??

>Mirror Universe, but NOT Mirror Universe?

>Bold move blowing up Vulcan (today, this is ironic, lol)

>So, no Kirk = equals Galactic Doom? Good grief, Kirk is the reason Mitchell was on the Enterprise to begin with!

>Mitchell vs Charlie, lol

>(ending scene of the film) I can't imagine Harriman without that bloody beard now...

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It's yet another timeline, so it's a variation of the Mirror Universe. Infinite parallel universes means an infinite number of possibilities.

Oh I know. I didn't mean that i was confused by this alternate reality.


What I meant by it was that if you are going for a new reality, they should have tried a little harder to make it less visually similar to the Mirror Universe. It just feels cheesy and chips away another bit of the movie.


"Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." - Scotty, The Miracle Worker since 2265.

guillermo.mejía

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Report this May. 26 2011, 9:16 pm

Hey Ezri, you enjoyed it. Good for you! Suspention of disbelief is what it's all about. with this film. It's basically a love letter to Trek, and I don't know how many of you have written one of those, but I can tell you that looking back at it, weeks or a month later you wonder what was going on in your head?! You get wrapped up in it and sometimes go with your heart rather than your head and that's what this is, and that's why, just like you, I enjoyed it the first time I saw it.


I did notice something you said...


All accept the Mirror helmsman who displayed a range of emotions from fear to confusion to angry, so its a shame he was the vulcan.


I may be wrong, but I believe he was meant to be Romulan. I'm sure it's there in the credits but I'm not gonna even look it up right now. Too lazy and tired.



"Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." - Scotty, The Miracle Worker since 2265.

SunshineSuperwoman

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Report this May. 26 2011, 10:07 pm

Oh, it makes more sense if he's Romulan. I assumed he was a vulcan because he played Spock in some of the phase II. 


I'm glad that my standing up for the movie did get you to watch it, and we weren't just bickering for nothing. 


It is like a love letter to star trek and faithful fans. I love it! 

Ezri Janeway

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Report this May. 27 2011, 6:00 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ May. 26 2011, 9:16 pm

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>I did notice something you said...

>All accept the Mirror helmsman who displayed a range of emotions from fear to confusion to angry, so its a shame he was the vulcan.

>I may be wrong, but I believe he was meant to be Romulan. I'm sure it's there in the credits but I'm not gonna even look it up right now. Too lazy and tired.

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Ahh thanks for that, I just assumed he was Vulcan, with slightly over done eyebrows. Didnt even consider he could be Romulan! Doh! But your probably right, that would certanly fit in with the rest of the film better. My bad!


As for the love letter thing, nice way of putting it but as an ex luvvie and a film/book critic I like to think Im immune.   But I am one of those accommodating fans who accept all efforts when it comes to Trek, I dont feel the need to pick things to shreds and whine. I dont think Ill be able to watch this film over and over but I can cheerfully take it for what it was, a tribute. Not Trek but Trek'ish enough to do what they did in the constraints they had with great success thanks to their hard work and dedication.


"Let me see if Ive got this straight. You're risking the ship, the crew, and the mission on the assumptions that Helkara and Leishman are engineering geniuses, Tharp is a piloting savant, our transporter chief can work miracles, and the Breen are unwilling to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack?" "Yup." "Damn I LOVE this job."

Ezri Janeway

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Report this May. 27 2011, 6:03 am

Quote: SunshineSuperwoman @ May. 26 2011, 10:07 pm

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>Oh, it makes more sense if he's Romulan. I assumed he was a vulcan because he played Spock in some of the phase II. 

>I'm glad that my standing up for the movie did get you to watch it, and we weren't just bickering for nothing. 

>It is like a love letter to star trek and faithful fans. I love it! 

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Nope definately not bickering for nothing, was good bickering! I shall be standing beside you extolling the virtues of this film from now on, so budge over a bit.


Do you know if heres a second film? I thought Id read somewhere there might be, or that could have been a joke, I cant find it now.


"Let me see if Ive got this straight. You're risking the ship, the crew, and the mission on the assumptions that Helkara and Leishman are engineering geniuses, Tharp is a piloting savant, our transporter chief can work miracles, and the Breen are unwilling to sacrifice themselves in a kamikaze attack?" "Yup." "Damn I LOVE this job."

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