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Would the Character of Kira changed after 9/11?

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Report this Jan. 12 2011, 8:37 am

In her recent interview, Nana Visitor posed this question to the fans: after 9/11 would the character Kira have been changed? Even though she was portrayed as a "freedom fighter" she was at times a terrorist. Would her character have been adjusted or would DS9 have ignored the real world implications of 9/11?


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Report this Jan. 12 2011, 10:10 am

It's a great question. I think it would depend on how soon after 9/11 the character was appearing. Television and movies in the year or so following the attacks were very "overly" conscious of depictions of terrorism.

In fact, I even remember reading that the opening scene in Nemesis was being re-considered.

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Report this Jan. 12 2011, 10:14 am

See the interview for my answer. Can't copy and paste with my phone.

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Report this Jan. 12 2011, 11:04 am

You know what, I hope not. It's nice to see things from both sides--the Cardassians call her a terrorist, the Bajorans call her a freedom fighter. It is good to see the whole "these are just people, not demons" thing. Everyone always thinks that they're doing the right thing from their perspective. I think it would be a shame to change her character, because facing controversy is usually what Star Trek does best.

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Report this Jan. 12 2011, 7:33 pm

I would agree with Csillan, above, that I would also like to think "No". Terrorism as a concept is hardly beginning with 9/11 (Otherwise the concept of a terrorist character on Deep Space Nine would have been completely sci-fi.

If they had changed Kira, that would have been a cop-out, I think, and cheapened her character. Star Trek has not shied away from difficult issues, and DS9 is not a series that shies away from portraying the darker side of even its main characters.

Part of Kira's journey through the series is that she has grown up on the darker side and now that peace comes, she has to deal with that and come to terms with herself. Without the terrorist past, her development as a character (particularly in her ability to join the Cardassians in their own freedom-struggles) would not have been as interesting.

Also, there is as much danger in the paranoia and demonisation of people (including innocent people) that happened after 9/11 as there ever was in the attacks themselves. That kind of thinking is so insidious. I would personally have hated seeing Star Trek shy away from portraying the complex nature of these issues, and applaud the decision of the writers of DS9 to show the darker sides of their "good guys".

Would they have done it? I think maybe a lesser production staff would have gotten cold feet. Star Trek, on the other hand, has a history of tackling difficult CURRENT issues -- which will always have parallels at some point in our history.

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 7:18 pm

I think the Kira character is timeless and would not have needed to be changed.

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Report this Jan. 16 2011, 8:56 pm

Definitely not. There are major differences between the Bajoren's terrorism and Osama's terrorism. The biggest being, the Cardassians took Bajor, killed thousands of Bajoren's and forced the rest into labor camps, torcher, rape, horrible experiments, etc. So is our government doing all these things to the citizens of Afghanistan? Kira's actions were fully justified, cannot be compared to anything that happened on 9/11, and her character will remain the same.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 9:27 am

I don't think the Bajoran reisistance would be nearly as appealing now as they were then.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 9:55 am

Quote: zapp77 @ Jan. 16 2011, 8:56 pm

Definitely not. There are major differences between the Bajoren's terrorism and Osama's terrorism. The biggest being, the Cardassians took Bajor, killed thousands of Bajoren's and forced the rest into labor camps, torcher, rape, horrible experiments, etc. So is our government doing all these things to the citizens of Afghanistan? Kira's actions were fully justified, cannot be compared to anything that happened on 9/11, and her character will remain the same.


Well, here's the thing, I'm sure you could find people in Afghanistan that would answer your question with a yes. Any one you would strap a couple of pounds of explosives to their body and push the button is certainly committed to their cause and full of conviction. Without a doubt they believe their actions are justified. Like the saying states, there are three sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth.
Kira struggled with her past. She came to know that somethings she had done were not right, no matter how justified she had felt at the time. It's been some time since I've seen any DS9 but I believe they had done more than one episode that centered on this inner conflict of hers.
Yes, I believe they would have down played her past, but would have been as easy as simply not mentioning it again. It would have little effect on the show.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 11:00 am

Beershark, I agree with you somewhat. Terrorism can be defined as Heroism depending on who the target is, however there are some acts that are indefensible.

I think that they would have certainly done some more explorations of her Character, and perhaps she would have had to stand trial for some inadvertent act.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 11:55 am

Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. And defined by the winners. If England had won the american revolution then the revolutionists would have been described as terrorists.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 2:26 pm

Quote: TuvokChuck @ Jan. 15 2011, 7:18 pm

I think the Kira character is timeless and would not have needed to be changed.


I don't know. They could have brought in somebody who could act without being so whiney and stuck up all the time ...

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 2:29 pm

Quote: wissa @ Jan. 19 2011, 11:55 am

>Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder. And defined by the winners. If England had won the american revolution then the revolutionists would have been described as terrorists.


No they wouldn't.


They would have been known as revolutionaries. Traitors perhaps by some. Idealists by others. Visionaries. Fools. Take your pick. But never terrorists. They didn't create terror. That is not a healthy observation I don't think. Study your history. As many British Americans were against the revolution as for it. As many politicians and ordinary people back in England were as for it, as were against it.


It's not defined by winners - it's defined by actions.


That is a remark that is quite offensive if you think about it - but I know you didn't mean it that way.


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Report this Jan. 21 2011, 7:12 am

Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, I agree with all those who have said that. Why? Because what we as Westerners are essentially doing with the (Middle) East, is try to impose our own culture and civilization, thus breaking the "Prime Directive" of no interference! The whole thing goes as far back as the conflicts between West and East in the history of Ancient Greece and the Persian empire. It's the same song all over! Kira would not have to change after the 9/11 events, but she would have been, because she was a fictional character, dependent on what the writers gave her. And the writers would probably have wanted to go into a more dark place. Think of the whole Xindi conflict in the Enterprise. That was post 9/11. The whole concept was turned into "interstellar war" and "threats towards Earth" and "terrorist attacks in the Vulcan embassy" etc. Inevitably everything changed.

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Report this Jan. 21 2011, 9:51 am

Quote: katerina.kaimaki @ Jan. 21 2011, 7:12 am

Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder, I agree with all those who have said that. Why? Because what we as Westerners are essentially doing with the (Middle) East, is try to impose our own culture and civilization, thus breaking the "Prime Directive" of no interference! The whole thing goes as far back as the conflicts between West and East in the history of Ancient Greece and the Persian empire. It's the same song all over! Kira would not have to change after the 9/11 events, but she would have been, because she was a fictional character, dependent on what the writers gave her. And the writers would probably have wanted to go into a more dark place. Think of the whole Xindi conflict in the Enterprise. That was post 9/11. The whole concept was turned into "interstellar war" and "threats towards Earth" and "terrorist attacks in the Vulcan embassy" etc. Inevitably everything changed.


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