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First watch of DS9

Csillan_Rose

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 9:23 pm

Hello! I'm a young, relatively new Star Trek fan who was introduced to Star Trek through the new movie, which I am eternally grateful for. Star Trek was way before my time, and before the 2009 movie came out, I really didn't know anything about it.


After seeing the movie, however, I immediately rushed home and pretty much successively watched all of the Original Series. After finishing that, I eventually moved on to watch the entirety of Next Generation.


Now, I have reached DS9. I've already watched several seasons of it, and I'm currently on episode 5x2, The Ship. I decided to start this blog as a record (at least for myself, if for nothing else) of my progress through DS9. As a young female fan, perhaps my outlook and ideas of this series may be slightly different from other people's--and then again, maybe not. We'll see!


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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 10:28 pm

My view of DS9 and its characters so far:


Wow, what a change from Next Generation! While TNG was full of uplifting, utopia-esque, happy-ending episodes, DS9 is a much darker, grittier take on Star Trek. Not all of the endings are happy, and some of them are downright depressing! Not to say that I don't like DS9. Actually, I think it's a very refreshing change! While I absolutely adored the Original Series and loved Next Generation, I don't understand why a lot of fans disliked DS9.


The only conclusion I can come to is that it's a much darker Trek than before. People who went in expecting TNG or TOS probably got a bit of a shock. Instead of seeing the fulfillment of man's potential in the future, we see a much more realistic view of our place in the universe. (Though I actually still think it's a little too optimistic. In this particular universe, I still can't imagine how humans got to the place of power that they did!)


Also, this series is much more based in character development than the previous ones have been. For that reason and several others, DS9 needs to be watched in order. I think this may also have had an impact on the series--unlike the others, you can't just jump from episode to episode.


But I am enjoying the focus on the characters quite a lot. At first, I wasn't sure I was going to like them as much as I have the other characters. But while no one has come near my love of Spock yet, I actually grew to love these characters too.


Benjamin Sisko:  He's a much more toned-down captain. I'm not sure how to describe him other than that he is mellow, laid back, and calm, but definitely commanding when he needs to be. He's not the logical, clear-headed Picard or the passionate, diving-in-head-first Kirk, but instead a nice blend of dutiful and emotional. In this way, he comes off as very human. He tries his hardest to come up with the best solution for everyone, but yes, sometimes his emotions do get in the way. I also found it interesting that he didn't start out as a captain, and that we got to watch his progress. We went from seeing someone who was cut-off and distant from his job to someone who really loves his job and wouldn't want any other. As I said, a very refreshing take!


Kira Nerys:  She's fun and snippy and sarcastic. I like her. I'm still waiting for her and Odo to get together though. That storyline is driving me crazy, I feel so bad for him! But anyway, I love major Kira's spunk and how outspoken she is. Her emotions definitely get in her way quite a bit, and she sometimes doesn't have clear judgement because of that, but not everyone can be Spock. I like her drive and her stubbornesss. I also like that they gave us a religious character who doesn't always feel condescending. I think one major failing of most science fiction shows is that religion and religious people are often shown as preachy, political and better-than-thou. (See Kai Winn for reference! ) Not that all religious people aren't. There are definitely quite a few who are. But it's a nasty stereotype that is often overlooked because using it makes it easier to show flaws in religious belief because the people who believe are so flawed. Sometimes, though, I think this is just a cheap cop-out. Whether or not you choose to believe in any kind of religion, it shouldn't always be shown in such a negative light. It's important for people to remember that religion is not inherently good or evil. It's people that make it so. But aaanyway, that said, I admit that sometimes her faith in the Prophets can get a little tiring and naive, like the episode where she tries to become an artist because she's "supposed" to. This was a good example of how detrimental that blind faith can be. But overall, I like that she's religious. It's a nice change.


Odo:  Probably my favorite character in DS9. He is just such a complex and likeable character, and I love his storyline. The changelings were an awesome idea, and let me just say right now--I would definitely rather have the Borg attack Earth than the Dominion. One of the scariest parts of the Dominion is simply that it turns us on ourselves, because there's no telling who the enemy is. Definitely a stroke of genius on the writers' parts. But back to Odo.


He's so awkward and cute in a way that definitely reminds me of Data. His orderly, justice-driven personality is very different from Data's, but his exploration of understanding humanity (Or... Bajoranity? Humanoidity?) is very similar. They both have that infinite, child-like curiousity that is incredibly endearing. I also love Odo's side plot with his crush on Kira. Though as I mentioned, I really want them to get together already. Stop dating other random idiots, Kira! His psuedo-relationship with Lwaxana was also hysterical, but it also showed how compassionate he can be.


Right now, I'm at the part where Odo is no longer a shape-shifter. It's kind of depressing really. Not because he's lost his abilities, but because he's just so down about it. He's lost a bit of his zeal for justice and his drive for his job. I hope he finds it again soon!


Quark:  Oh Quark. Where do I begin? Any scene with Quark and Odo in it turns out to be pure gold. Those two have such an awesome on-screen relationship, and they're so much fun to watch! I love that they made a Ferengi a main character. I wasn't too fond of the Ferengi in TNG, but they really fleshed the race out in DS9 and showed their good side as well as their bad. For someone so greedy and cowardly and self-centered, Quark is strangely loveable. Probably because when it really comes down to it, he's there for his friends and (occasionally) his family. He goes to great lengths to overcome his "failings" (greed/cowardice/etc.) in order to help his friends, and then downplays it or excuses it with a fake motive. It's truly adorable. While Quark rarely has a role that drives the plot, he's a great supporting character and often steals the show.


I'm (obviously) not done, but I'm going to split this post in half because it's turning into a novel.

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 10:58 pm

My opinions on the characters, continued:


 


Jadzia Dax:  She's fun, and nice, and intelligent, but honestly, I don't understand why she seems to be so many people's favorite character. Compared to a lot of the other ones, I find her relatively boring. For all of the development this character could have (she's had all of those past lifetimes, plus her own!), they comparitively do little to flesh her out. It seems like most of her contributions to conversations that aren't job-oriented are geared towards mentioning how old she is or that she was once a man without going into too much depth. However, I do like her character, she's just not my favorite. This is possibly because as I am female, I'm not staring at her chest the entire time she's on screen . But I like that she enjoys Klingon culture, and I appreciate her wry sense of humor as well as her intelligence. I just wish they could find a creative way to develop her a bit more. But hey, maybe they still will! Also, I would love to hear from someone who does like her the best, as a contrasting viewpoint!


Worf:  I understand that they added Worf into DS9 because it wasn't doing as well, and they wanted to get some of the people who watched TNG to watch DS9 too. At first, I wasn't sure what I thought about it. DS9 was finally getting away from being under TNG's shadow, and then they threw one of TNG's characters in. At first, I wasn't sure how Worf would mesh with the crew. I kept seeing the DS9 crew, and then Worf sticking out like a sore thumb. But after getting over the initial separation, he ended up fitting in pretty well. My worries were pretty groundless. The writers of DS9 developed Worf even further, changed him from a security officer to a command officer, and used him in new ways (now he's not only the only Klingon in Starfleet, but the only Klingon that even likes Starfleet!). And, honestly, it's hard not to like Worf.


Miles Obrien:  He's the down-to-earth, hands-on, normal guy. Obrien gives watchers an idea of where normal people fit in to the Star Trek universe. I'm not saying that he's not intelligent--he definitely is!--but just that he's not the unachievable super-genius of some of the Trek characters. Instead, he's a hard-working guy who is intelligent because he's experienced and dedicated. He has a family and a social life, and loves his job. In a universe with super-smart and super-talented aliens and intuitive, gifted humans, it's good to know that the more average guy can fit in alongside them.


Bashir:  I really like where they're taking this character. Although, I have to admit, I did ruin it for myself. I accidentally discovered that he is genetically engineered. That's one of the downfalls of watching the series on youtube--I absolutely love reading everyone's comments, but sometimes there are spoilers. But Bashir's hopeful (sometimes naive) optimism is a lovely contrast to some of the other characters. It helps that he's cute. Yes, sorry guys, this is where it will be obvious that I'm a female watcher. But anyway, I'm at the part where Kira is pregnant, and I know that the writers of DS9 had to write in Nana Visitor's pregnancy because she and Alexander Siddig got together. The in-jokes are hysterical!


One of my favorite episodes with Bashir so far was the one where he tried to help the planet in the Gamma Quadrant that had that disease. It was nice to see his optimism and resourcefulness, but also good to see his ego and pride taken down a few notches. A very well-done episode.


 


So, that's where I'm at now with everything. Feel free to post comments and helpful tips, but please no spoilers! I'm trying to avoid them where I can.

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 11:19 pm

Season 5 Episode 2, The Ship

I'm only partway through now, but I had to pause and say that this Vorta is pretty funny. "We have you surrounded and outnumbered! Do you want a drink?"
Also, I'm not entirely sure I agree with Sisko. It might just be because I'm not familiar with the 'savage rights' act, but I'm pretty sure that if, say, a Starfleet ship crashed and a Romulan crew found it, we'd be kind of upset if they stole the ship and all of the dead crew members just because they happened to be on the planet and found it a mere couple of minutes before we could get down there and retrieve it. I'd probably understand more if Sisko had taken the ship back to Federation territory and some time had passed before they tried to reclaim it, but as it is, I see where she's coming from. It's their ship, they were there to get it right away, and it's not in Federation territory.

As I said, it might just be because I don't know much about that act. I'll go back to the episode now.

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Report this Jan. 09 2011, 7:27 pm

Season 5 Episode 2, The Ship (continued)

I feel so bad for Sisko at the end of this one. It was a pretty messy misunderstanding, though I can see why neither of them trusted each other.

Honestly, I thought that this one got a little bit monotonous. It was a good plot with a good (albeit sad) sentiment, but I think what got me was the lack of a side-plot to lighten it up a little bit. It was definitely a very dark episode. I'm not even sure a side-plot would work, really. They probably meant for it to be a bit monotonous so that you got the feeling of caginess that the characters were feeling, trapped on the ship. Maybe a bit more suspense would have helped it theatrically, but as it was, it was very... well, realistic. Good episode, but probably not one of my favorites despite its well-done message.

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Report this Jan. 09 2011, 7:46 pm

Season 5 Episode 3, Looking for Par'Mach in all the Wrong Places

Right off the bat, I can tell that this is going to be a much more lighthearted episode than the last, perhaps even because the last one was so dark. I laughed at Bashir and Quark at the beginning--Bashir is so nosy! And Quark was just way, way too willing to help him eavesdrop. So funny how disappointed they were when the arguing was over.

Haha, awww, poor Dax. There she was trying to flirt with Worf, and he gets distracted by another woman! And his face when Grilka hugged Quark! Priceless. So this is most likely going to be a love-triangle-esque episode. Always amusing when Worf or Quark is involved... and this time it's both with the same woman. Also, it's kind of funny to see Dax shot down so quickly, considering how many guys would love to date her.

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 1:18 am

Looking for par'Mach in all the Wrong Places (continued)


LOL! Poor Morn. I love Worf's "I will apologize for this at a later time..."
And then right after Worf gets shut down Quark moseys in and announces that Grilka invited him to dinner. This is a very entertaining episode. I love how straightforward DS9 is, too. Dax straight out says "For sex?" when she finds out that Quark wants to pursue Grilka. In the past couple of series, this really wouldn't have been talked about so frankly. And yes, that probably does have a lot to do with the time when it was made. They would probably have gotten in trouble in the 60's for being this straightforward, but we all know what Kirk was doing. And doing. And doing.

And Kira and O'Brien's relationship is starting to get... interesting? I love the awkward pause after the "I can think of worse things than spending three weeks in Ireland with you." I know a lot of people dislike Keiko because they think she's, um, witchy. But I have to say, she's been really great about this whole situation. Although... sometimes it kind of seems like she's setting them up, she's so okay with it.

Awww, Odo is jealous of O'Brien. "And I'll refrain from making any further disparaging remarks about the Chief. I mean... Miles." Lol, I don't think we've ever gotten to see him act so... catty? Adorable. ^_^


And I've gotta say this for Quark, he certainly is resourceful! And his speech about kelp and water was hilarious. Poor Julian at the end. I have to say, I was impressed that Worf looked just about as injured as Dax did. Good for her


All in all, a great episode. Not much happened to advance the overall plot, true. It definitely isn't as significant an episode as The Ship was, but it was a very entertaining one that focused on the characters and advanced certain relationships. I definitely loved this one!


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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 1:22 am

Oh, hi! Thanks for responding!

BorgLegacy--I do like Dax too, I just want to put that out there, but I'm curious as to why she won the poll as people's favorite character. While I like her, she's not my favorite on the show. Do you have any idea why?

Rusty.Shackleford--Thanks for responding! Yes, I can imagine the Vorta in The Ship has been mentioned. Lol. And yes, young female Trekkies definitely do exist! I'm probably the most into it of my friends, but I do know other girls my age who enjoy it as well. Maybe I should go find that thread and post myself...

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 4:12 am

Season 5 Episode 4, Nor the Battle to the Strong

I'm really enjoying this episode so far. I think sometimes with fantasy and sci-fi films, books, and shows, it's easy to forget the devastation war causes. Since the people aren't "real" and it's usually not main characters that die, casualties in shows like Star Trek aren't usually given too much thought. I can tell that DS9 is trying to rectify that and show that there are people dying, and that war is not as glorious as it's portrayed in some epics. Granted, most people don't want to watch something that focuses on people dying, which is why that tends to happen. We want to see that the fighting is worth the lives that are given, and I'm no exception. But it's definitely good to see a nod to the impact that all of that pain and death has on the emotional and mental state of normal people.

As a side note, I'm glad to see that Odo is getting his old spark back. So cute that he jumped off of the second level in his zeal to catch the cheaters and forgot he couldn't change. He seems to have a slightly brighter outlook on things now, though, and can see the humor in the situation.

Ahh, I just knew Bashir was going to do something stupid when they were eating and remind Jake of the surgery. The second I saw they were eating meat, I was like... yep. Jake's not going to be hungry for long.

For some reason, the female doctor in this reminds me a little bit of Beverly Crusher. Not too much, just a little bit. Just a random observation.

I feel bad for Jake. I can tell already that he's going to beat himself up over leaving Bashir behind, but he wasn't even trained for battle situations. Being on a station that's being attacked and being involved in combat face to face with your opponent are two very different things. I'm actually a little surprised that Bashir brought Jake with him to go get the generator.

That soldier that died with Jake really didn't help any, did he? Now Jake really feels bad. I guess that he reminded the soldier of defectors from the army so much that the man forgot that Jake was just a civilian. Even men with advanced training have difficulty in those situations, as shown by the guy who shot his own foot. It was brave of Jake to even try. And may I say here that the actor who plays Jake is doing an excellent job in this episode.

Wow, go Dr. Bashir! I mean, we all knew he wasn't going to actually die, but good on him for getting the generator back as well!

I'm glad that in the end, Jake shared what happened with Bashir and his father. All in all, this was an excellent episode, and probably my favorite so far from this season. Yes, I know, that's not saying too much since I'm only like, 4 episodes in. But still.

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 5:31 am

Nice synopsis. You have a good grasp of the characters. It will be interesting to see how your view of the show is different before and after the war.

How important do you think the introduction of the defiant and worf were to the show?

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 11:55 am

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How important do you think the introduction of the defiant and worf were to the show?


As far as the Defiant goes, I know a lot of people think that it was just DS9 trying to be like the other Treks. Actually, I don't think this really happened at all. I think that the Space station right outside the wormhole needs some kind of protection, and that the Defiant was an excellent idea. That way when there's trouble--and there frequently is--they have some way to defend themselves. I don't think the Defiant is in it enough (at least not where I'm at) to make it too much like the other series. As a Romulan fan, I also have to say I was pleased that the Federation and Romulus was able to cooperate with the cloaking device. The Romulans really haven't been in Trek too much lately. Although, I do love the Cardassians as well. Gul Dukat is an extremely complex and interesting character, although I heard that they kind of destroy that later on. Not sure exactly what happens to him, but I hear he pretty much goes pure evil. That kind of upsets me. They did such a good job of giving him a backround, why would they just throw all of that away? But I haven't watched it happen yet, so I'll withhold judgement.


But yes, I think the Defiant was a good move. Having people exploring the Gamma Quadrant in shuttles just seems like asking for trouble. (In fact... I think every time they DO use the shuttles, they get into trouble).


And as far as Worf goes, I won't lie, that definitely does feel like DS9 trying to be more like TNG. At least at first. I know that they tried to lure TNG fans to DS9 with him, but as I mentioned in a previous post, I think they took him and made him their own. He really did end up fitting in with the DS9 crew, and it's interesting to have him there with the whole Klingon dilemma going on.


So as of right now, I don't think I have any issues with either of them


I'm curious, what do you think?

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 12:35 pm

Season 5 Episode 5, The Assignment


Well. This is interesting. Pah Wraiths you say? Ah, I see, you mean another "Let's make O'Brien Sufffferrrr!" plot device. You should have just said so. Good lord, they even made it on his birthday. This poor guy doesn't catch a break!


I love how he and Julian killed Keiko's plants while she was gone. Why did she entrust partial care taking to Julian anyway?? That's just asking for trouble. Personally, I think Molly might have been a better choice


Keiko's actress is doing great being manipulative and evil. And no, not because she is normally you Keiko-haters.


"My lips are sealed! Nobody will get anything out of me--not even my name!!"-Rom
"... Everybody on the station knows your name."-Miles
"Right... but I won't confirm it!"-Rom
Rom is adorable in this episode! I'm so glad he finally has a job that he's good at and he loves.


LOL! I love Odo's comment later on "For the first 40 minutes it was like pulling teeth even to get him to admit his name!" Rom is excellent in this episode! It's wonderful how the writers made him figure out what was going on even before O'Brien does. Yay! I'm glad everything works out and that Rom gets promoted in the end. Can't say Quark seems too happy about it, though...


 


UP NEXT:  TRIALS AND TRIBBLATIONS! I'm so EXCITED! I've totally been waiting for this episode. It's going to be great to see all of the old TOS stuff again!


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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 2:21 pm

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>How important do you think the introduction of the defiant and worf were to the show?


As far as the Defiant goes, I know a lot of people think that it was just DS9 trying to be like the other Treks. Actually, I don't think this really happened at all. I think that the Space station right outside the wormhole needs some kind of protection, and that the Defiant was an excellent idea. That way when there's trouble--and there frequently is--they have some way to defend themselves. I don't think the Defiant is in it enough (at least not where I'm at) to make it too much like the other series. As a Romulan fan, I also have to say I was pleased that the Federation and Romulus was able to cooperate with the cloaking device. The Romulans really haven't been in Trek too much lately. Although, I do love the Cardassians as well. Gul Dukat is an extremely complex and interesting character, although I heard that they kind of destroy that later on. Not sure exactly what happens to him, but I hear he pretty much goes pure evil. That kind of upsets me. They did such a good job of giving him a backround, why would they just throw all of that away? But I haven't watched it happen yet, so I'll withhold judgement.

But yes, I think the Defiant was a good move. Having people exploring the Gamma Quadrant in shuttles just seems like asking for trouble. (In fact... I think every time they DO use the shuttles, they get into trouble).

And as far as Worf goes, I won't lie, that definitely does feel like DS9 trying to be more like TNG. At least at first. I know that they tried to lure TNG fans to DS9 with him, but as I mentioned in a previous post, I think they took him and made him their own. He really did end up fitting in with the DS9 crew, and it's interesting to have him there with the whole Klingon dilemma going on.

So as of right now, I don't think I have any issues with either of them

I'm curious, what do you think?



My two cents: I think the introduction of the Defiant was a good move. It made sense, especially at the time it was introduced, that Deep Space Nine would need more teeth. Going in a runabout into Dominion Space doesn't seem very appealing, does it? As the series wore on, I think we lost the initial reason and purpose of the ship and it felt like other Trek. This is a warship. Why, for instance in the Visitor, are they going to look at a wormhole inversion?

As for Worf, I could've done with him or without him. What I really like though was the introduction of the Klingons into the series. It gave them a consequence to all this tension--years of it--with the Dominion. It put the Cardassians in a similar situation as the Bajorans and continued the themes of the series--war and opression. The Federation response in this situation gave them an outsiders perspective. If it had been a Bajoran Civil War, a Maquis offensive, we would've been in the middle of it and all the moral dilemna is nothing more than hand-wringing. This gave us a break from challenging the Federation with military might. The Fourth Season doesn't have any big Maquis battles or Dominion battles. It starts with an offensive and that's it. The tensions are allowed to cool off. I think it was a brilliant move and caused them to do some of their best work.

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 2:28 pm

I see what you mean about the Defiant kind of turning into any other ship. I agree that it should be strictly used for areas where there could be danger, and left at the station for protection any other time.

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 4:10 pm

Season 5 Episode 6, Trials and Tribble-ations

Lol, cute conversation at the beginning with Bashir and Miles trying to reassure Worf that he doesn't smell bad. I love those little awkward moments ^_^

"That's... the Enterprise!" YAAAY! I love the expressions of the temporal investigators when they find out it's Kirk's ship. Kind of a, "Oh God, not him again!"

Awww, it's so cute to see them all in the old uniforms! Sisko, yellow is not your color. Be very, very glad they changed command from gold to maroon. Oh no, Bashir, your HAIR. Ugh, it looks awful! Those two look like they're playing dress-up in their parents' old clothes. ^_^ Miles fits in pretty well, actually. Jadzia fits in the best, though. She'll probably fit in the best knowledge-wise as well, since one of her lifetimes had to be during this time period.
"I'm a doctor, not a historian!" Nice. Very nice.

Lol, epic fail right off the bat. This is going to be amusing, they don't even know how to use the turbolift. "I won't tell anyone if you don't." Aww, this is getting me nostalgic. I might have to go back and watch a TOS episode afterwards.

^_^ Odo looks hysterical in that old baggy coat. He actually fits in okay as well, though. *Squee* It's Chekov and Uhura! Oooh, I was hoping they'd put in the old footage!!
Oh no! Miles and Bashir are failing so hard. This is awesome!
ODO PETTING A TRIBBLE! Awwwwwwww! Lol, we officially have all 3 Star Trek series together now! TOS for obvious reasons, the crew of DS9, and then Worf and O'Brien represent TNG. It's a big Trekfest!

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