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In which book did Janeway die in?

Jim Kirk

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 5:09 am

In the Destiny Trilogy Janeways was reported as dead.  In which book did she die in? I woud like to read it.

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 7:58 am

Before Dishonor. TNG novel.

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Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 12:47 pm

If you read Before Dishonor, i recommend also reading Full Circle for the fallout to the Voyager crew, especially Chakotay.

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 1:07 pm

thanks for your assitance I just ordered both books along with my enemy my ally and star trek academy collison course.

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Report this Jan. 08 2011, 4:57 pm

Wow. Seriously? They kill her in a TNG novel? What the heck is up with TNG killing everyone else's characters? I'm not even a VOY fan but this really pisses me off. Has Picard been killed yet? Because if not he should be. First they kill Kirk in a terrible movie. Now they kill Janeway in a TNG book. Figures that's how the first female captain would be done away with.

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Report this Jan. 09 2011, 6:43 am

What else is cool is Before Dishonor is a Peter David book so Calhoun has a cameo.

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Report this Jan. 10 2011, 2:26 pm

To toranprem. If you actually read some of the novels, not only would her death make sense, but it comes with a very interesting twist.

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 10:26 am

This is getting to be a real mess with everyone being killed off. Is J.K. Rowling writing for Star Trek now?!?

BTW...has anyone read The Good That Men Do? I've been curious to know if it was any good or not.

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 11:54 am

I loved "The Good That Men Do" as do all Ent fans, it would seem. It completely redeems the finale and explains away TATV. It is a must for Tripp fans.

As for killing off characters. Read about the old Earth exploration days, a whole lot more people died with more regularity. Death and exploration go hand in hand, it is an occupational risk and adds to the realism of the show. Adds to the dynamasism of it to if the deaths are done correctly. Janeway's was one of the few that was done well.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 1:37 pm

This is two threads in a row that I'm agreeing with Matthias. I either need to read these boards more often or start a fan club.

I've also read the hate-filled reviews of "Before Dishonor" on Amazon.com, and continue to be amazed that readers think Peter David decided on a whim to kill off a major character, and that it wasn't vetted through the editorial process. This was done with the publishers blessing. It allows for new avenues to be explored. If everything remained stagnant, there'd be no impetus to keep reading, because we'd know that no matter what, forever and ever, the characters we like would never have anything bad happen to them. And to that I say "Blargh."

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 1:48 pm

Besides the killing was not Peter David's choice. He was just the executioner and he gave her a good death and send off.

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Report this Mar. 10 2011, 11:45 am

That book is what put me off the whole "after the series" books. Aside from killing a major character in a book, which is stupid, they had a borg ship eat pluto, that was stupid. So I read through Resistance and Before Dishonor and was turned off by that end of the timeline for books, now I just read the stories that take place within the movies and series. Star Wars suffered from the same problem, "Lets make everything bigger and more ridiculous and kill characters left and right" I stopped with those books too. I paraphrase Picard and use it in regards to the books. "Does anyone remember when they used to be explorers?"


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Report this Mar. 10 2011, 11:58 am

I clearly do.

And I loved it when Pluto got eaten! I had a laugh over that one with Peter David.
The decision to kill Janeway was a paramount decision, not that of the writer. It was the writer who left her the window to return. Characters in their station die. How was Janeway's eventuality different than Sisko's on screen eventuality?

Btw, if you like exploration, read the Titan books. They are all exploration and based upon scientific theories.

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Report this Mar. 10 2011, 12:59 pm

Well Pluto getting eaten I thought was stupid. Paramount deciding to kill Janeway still doesn't make it a good descision and since you brought up Sisko I didn't care for that ending either, but then I never really liked the whole "prophets" thing anyway, but at least they did it on screen. Killing a main character in a book I think is just dumb.


I did read the first Titan book, I liked it, but when I got to I guess it was the second, and they were thrown out of the galaxy and returned by the end of the book just was dumb too. aside from the fact that it had already been done it just didn't do much for me, not sure if I want to read the next one.


I hope I'm not seeming as if I putting down anyone who did like those stories I just knew they really weren't my thing.


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Report this Mar. 10 2011, 2:14 pm

Not at all. I didn't start reading them again until after Destiny. Over a Torrent Sea and Synthesis were great novels that got me back in, they appealed to the scientist in me. Lt Jedi had said Orion's Hounds was likewise good. OATS had references at the end for where the concept came from.

Peter David told me the producer in question in regards to Janeway's death wanted the books to have the same emotional impact with fans that star wars did when chewy died. She then decided Janeway was the best character to kill, being important but not a vital character. Right or wrong, now you know the story.

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