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Christmas in Trek

miklamar

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Report this Dec. 23 2010, 12:15 am

Everyone probably knows that Gene Roddenberry was atheistic or agnostic, so major religious holidays--Christian, Jewish and Moslem, for example--were ignored. Perhaps DS9's Bajoran faith came along after his departure, but that always seemed strange to me: how, as you said, other culture's religions, like those of the Vulcans, Bajorans, Cardassians or Klingons, were freely discussed.

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Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 23 2010, 7:15 pm

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i think roddenberry wqas jewish

and i think jewish people have learned after roughly 4,000 years that it is probably not a good idea to bring religious differences. it usually blows up in their face.



Really!?! Watch the news much?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 7:30 am

I'm watching TOS: Dagger of the Mind. Kirk and one of the crew(wo)men mention meeting at a Christmas party.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 7:32 am

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MR

yes i do watch the news much and i am not sure what your point is.

even if it was sarcastic it still doesn't make much sense, yeah the middle-east still sucks, as for thousands of years, and this only goes to show that religion in general is a horrible idea. even in star trek it always leads to war.

if you were trying to be mean then try again.



It was slightly tongue in cheek. My point is Israel is one of the most violent nations in the world. Part of the reason for it and why the West supports them is religious reasons. They feel they can do whatever they want to Palestinians because God wants them and them alone to have that land.

Trekkie 12

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 11:27 am

Maybe they are never at Christmas time...or someone forgot to put it in the scripts...


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Trekkie 12

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 11:28 am

Oh, and keeping trees might be hard...


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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 2:33 pm

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> they NEVER say anything about jesus or what the holiday means to them; so maybe we dumped that part of the story by then?

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The only reference to Jesus that I can think is in "Bread and Circuses" - the last scene - after they get back to the Enterprise and they were discussing "sun" worshipping, Uhura corrects them saying that it's the "Son of God." Kirk responds that they had both Caesar & Christ.


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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 2:36 pm

Quote: Trekkie 12 @ Dec. 24 2010, 11:28 am

Oh, and keeping trees might be hard...

Unless you have Keiko O'Brien

JaydenJaneway

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 4:57 pm

The Christmas scenes in Generations and when voyager was an ornament on a tree were they only Christmas moments i can recall on star trek

Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 5:29 pm

I thought the Voyager christmas ornament one was funny, cause I think Voyager WAS the Hallmark ornament that year.


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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 5:39 pm

Well, it isn't to the point of this thread, but, here in the early twenty-first century, let me wish all of you who hold, be it in the original, and enduring, as it should be, spiritual nature of Christmas, or otherwise, MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all, especially to my friends, such as MatthiasRussell, and twotakes frakes, CaptainSaavik, and others. Have a great holiday, and a Happy New Year, from your ol pal Kesfan. I know I haven't been around much-as always, no reflection you you folks-but, I didn't want to let Christmas come, without giving my best to you all.


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

golddragon71

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 7:13 pm

Well we know they're awareof Christmas icons in at least the 23rd century as recalled demonstrated by Scotty in ST II WOK
"Th' Energizer's by-passed like a Christmas tree so don't give me too many bumps!"

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 7:33 pm

Just because it is 'marginalized' by the general trend of thought, as seems, perhaps, doesn't mean that some future century could not have a form of worship of a Yahweh God, etc, for a continued segment of the population. Heck, even in the far-future Dune novels, there is the 'Orange Catholic Bible', I recall from the first of those epic books. And, just because MAN is portrayed as having a zero-sum on Faith, hardly precludes, as with the Bajorans, or Klingons, as noted before, from practicing their own beliefs. It's a BIG universe..with all sorts of 'possibilities' And, what about the 'Ancestral Spirits' of Voyager's ''Sacred Ground'', who were clearly NOT purely physical beings, whom I easily well receive as being not some 'higher alien species', rather, supernatural in nature, ergo Kathryn's little test of her own 'faith', as it were. Too bad they didn't follow up at least a smidge more on that, but, like other things, it was let fall by the wayside. I respect people of faith, and at least the Bajorans were allowed to practice SOMETHING without being treated with disregard for the fact. It's one aspect of the post-Roddenberry era that I find just fine by me. with all due respect, and appreciation for what The Great Bird gave we fans in TOS and TNG...


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 8:23 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Dec. 24 2010, 5:29 pm

I thought the Voyager christmas ornament one was funny, cause I think Voyager WAS the Hallmark ornament that year.



I thought that as well Matthias, but the Voyager Ornament came out for the 96 christmas season, and that episode of aired in 98. But i have to wonder if it was the basis of that scene. (BTW, this is the first question of my new aniversary addition of the Ultimate Star Trek Quiz. you should check it out if you haven't already done so)

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