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Worf's Race and Russian Background

madmartian72

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 11:58 am

1. Is Worf a Black Klingon the way Tuvok is a Black Vulcan? Or does the actors natural skin tone work well for a species that already has darker varieties of skin tone?


2. Why doesn't Worf have a Russian accent? Is it the same reason his former born-and-raised French captain has a British accent and Khan from India clearly has a Spanish Accent? 

Pooneil

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 12:33 pm

1. There doesn't seem to be any difference, acknowledged or otherwise, between "black" and "white" Klingons. Worf's brother was played by a black actor, but his son was played by a white actor (actually three different ones), and just about every other Klingon has been "white". Can you really spot the difference?

2. Worf doesn't have a Russian (actually Ukrainian) accent the same way Picard doesn't have a French accent, Geordi doesn't have an African accent, Kirk doesn't have an Iowan accent, and Chekov didn't have a Russian accent (it was closer to German, I think). I suppose he could actually be speaking Russian, which is then translated into English, but it's all very complicated and too trivial to think about.

Dendodge

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 12:43 pm

The advert for the part of Worf specifically specified a black actor, IIRC. I assume there are just different skin tones of Klingons, just as there are different skin tones of humans.

And it is perfectly possible that the UT simple assigns an American accent to characters who are not necessarily speaking English ("Little Green Men" established that Quark spent the whole of DS9 speaking Ferengi, IIRC). Or, perhaps Worf simply un-learnt his accent - I know Scottish people who have lived in England for a few years and lost most of their accent.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 21 2010, 4:18 am

There had only every been 1 white klingon- the ds9 albino. Most of the klingon actors are very white so I imagine they intended the klingons to be all dark skinned. As for the russian accent, worf went out of his way to be a true klingon and avoid seeming at all human so he probably taught himself how to lose any accent. Alexander, however, didn't like being klingon, where was his accent?

Dendodge

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Report this Dec. 21 2010, 4:49 am

Alexander was raised by his Klingon mother, so would have the same accent as other Klingons, rather than a Russian one (even though he adopted their surname later, he was never brought up by the Rozhenkos)

Dendodge

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Report this Dec. 21 2010, 4:50 am

Actually, I just remembered he lived with them for one year, but one year that late in his life would not be enough to give him a Russian accent.

golddragon71

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Report this Dec. 21 2010, 9:26 am

one thing about Tuvok. aside from the fact that he was played by a black actor do we ever see any mention of him being differentiated by that fact on the series? There was a scene in Diane Duane's novel Spock's world that did mention there were several physical types for Vulcans as well as different hair colors (Blond and redheads specifically) however, I don't recall any solid reference to "Dark Vulcans"

Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 21 2010, 9:49 am

In st V, spock is delivered by a black vulcan midwife. Tuvok's wife is also shown to be black.

Dendodge

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Report this Dec. 21 2010, 9:57 am

There were also black Vulcans in the background of STXI, IIRC.

Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Dec. 22 2010, 7:55 am

So far - Vulcans are the only multi - racial humanoid species on Star Trek other than Terrans.

Klingons in TOS were all "swarthy" in appearance and had darker skin. Ironically Gene Roddenberry probably realized that in the 60's portraying the bad guys as "black" would have fed into racial prejudices.
In the Movies is where we see the Klingon skin darken in tone, even though there have been white actors who played Klingons that had lighter skin.

"Can you detect midi - chlorians with a tricorder?"

Trekkie 12

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 11:12 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Dec. 20 2010, 12:33 pm

1. There doesn't seem to be any difference, acknowledged or otherwise, between "black" and "white" Klingons. Worf's brother was played by a black actor, but his son was played by a white actor (actually three different ones), and just about every other Klingon has been "white". Can you really spot the difference? 2. Worf doesn't have a Russian (actually Ukrainian) accent the same way Picard doesn't have a French accent, Geordi doesn't have an African accent, Kirk doesn't have an Iowan accent, and Chekov didn't have a Russian accent (it was closer to German, I think). I suppose he could actually be speaking Russian, which is then translated into English, but it's all very complicated and too trivial to think about.
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All you people confuse me sometimes...and just a note; there is no "Iowan accent" I think Worf is awesome anyway. And as for Tuvok, there are only so many black haired actors...and I think he is very talented.

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