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The Narada

Doc Boomstick

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Report this Dec. 18 2010, 2:54 pm

Star Trek: Countdown isn't considered canon as far as I know, but it sounds like many people accept the Borg/Romulan hybrid explanation for the Narada's domination of the 23rd century's Starfleet. In the movie, it's just implied that a mining ship of the 24th century is just that tough. What are your thoughts?


I think the proof is clearly the Narada's low speed. 24th century ships don't even use the same warp scale, so there is no way the Enterprise should have been able to catch them. This was just a plain old mining ship with simple weapons, no?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 19 2010, 9:01 am

According to Countdown, it had been massively upgraded by Romulan adapted Borg technology. Nero overhauled his ship for the purpose of taking his revenge out on the Federation.

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Report this Dec. 19 2010, 1:58 pm

Yeah, I saw that. I was just asking if anyone here actually accepted that argument since the comic isn't canon anyway. Nero's ship didn't have the same weapons that it did in the comic, couldn't fire while cloaked, and it certainly couldn't reach average warp speeds of ships of that era. I actually kind of liked the idea that a simple mining ship from the future could be so formidable. If the Narada really tore up the Enterprise E than Federation technology was really stagnant over 160 years. In TNG the Enterprise D cold probably take out a ship of the Kelvin's era with one or two photons. Surely, a ship with top end tech that could beat up on Ent E would have no problem outrunning the original Enerprise, right?

I guess I was just trying to get the Trekkie view on this ship. Was it a Scimitar-level ship or just a 24th century mining vessel? I like to go with the latter.

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Report this Dec. 19 2010, 5:14 pm

I discussed this at work with 5 other engineers. All of us but one agreed the revolutionary war Constitution wouldn't be much good against a modern cargo vessel. The hull would be too strong for canon balls and the merchant sailors' small amount of guns would be better than the 200 year old sailors'. Of course the Narada clearly had offensive capacity.

As for not being canon, Nero and Countdown were commisioned by the film's producers and based upon the film writer's ideas behind the movie so its accurate with the intent of the film. And with the editorial controls the books have in place now, I would hope future films and series would try to agree with new materials.

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Report this Dec. 19 2010, 5:47 pm

In the movie, Nero states to Captain Pike that in his time, his ship is just a simple mining vessel.

One damn minute, Admiral.

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Report this Dec. 19 2010, 5:47 pm

In the movie, Nero states to Captain Pike that in his time, his ship is just a simple mining vessel.

One damn minute, Admiral.

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 6:44 am

You also have to remember that we are discussing this topic and looking at it from our own cultural viewpoints.

The Romulans are a war-like culture. Who is to say that a "simple mining vessle" is not heavily armed and shielded as a norm within Romulan society. Just because our "mining vessles" are not, doesn't mean that the Romulans wouldn't do this.

I think of it as "simple" more from the design approach...it's very dank and spartan inside...with none of the comforts or asthetics of the typical millitary ship.

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scottjimenez

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 7:00 am

120 years in the past. i think of what it would be like if you transported a cruise ship back to the 1700's....cannon balls would be futile against that thick steel. Just the sheer size would shock those people. The Narada clearly had mere time and technology on it's side.

One damn minute, Admiral.

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