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Watching TOS thru for the first time

Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 7:21 pm

Sad but true, I've never watched TOS thru and only seen maybe half the episodes.  I've seen every episode of the others, many 2 or more.  It's embarrassing but I'm finally doing it.  Having seen the others first, this should be interesting.


 


My first thought, why is "The Man Trap" listed first?  Even though "The Cage" never aired, shouldn't it be episode 1,1?

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 7:31 pm

I was often puzzled by that too, MR. No clue.
Hope you enjoy TOS.

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 8:08 pm

Man Trap (though it should be "Man Eater")
4 crewmen killed- 2 blue shirts, 1 yellow, 1 dude in a hazmat suit, no red. I like the crew in hazmat suits and coveralls, its realistic, wonder why they didn't do this in other shows. Janice Rand is in it? Didn't realize she was part of the franchise before Chechov,why isn't she considered part of the main cast? And she mentions Saurian Brandy! The salt sucker parades around as a crewman it killed, then becomes a black man to seduce Uhura, seems a little racist, but hey, it's the 60s. Kirk must be the only captain I've seen eat on the bridge. Why does Kirk stand still and just let the monster try to kill him?
Of all the characters, in this episode anyways, the only one with amazing lines and performance is McCoy. I also find "The Cage" to be a much more powerful episode.

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 3:53 am

The best way to watch the series is to start first with The Cage and then move onto Where No Man Has Gone Before and then subsequently follow the season dates in order of weekly release.


The reason for doing this is to see the thing unravel and develop as Roddenberry presented it to Desilu. Watch the first pilot (without Kirk) which is a neat little story in itself. Weigh up for yourself whether Pike would have been a better lead character. Personally I think not - because he is very serious, lacking the wit and charm of Kirk. The Cage also presents us with an earlier reading of Spock and the enigmatic Number One (whose character later subsume with Spock and Barrett became Chapel instead). There is no McCoy and he doesn't appear in the second pilot either. The doctor here - Piper - is quite forgetable, but in Where No Man Has Gone Before we see the arrival of James T. Kirk and a legend is born. We also see that Mitchell was a close friend of Kirk and wonder what might have become of the Gary Lockwood character.


The first two pilots see the show evolving. It gets fine-tuned before your eyes before settling down in the third episode with everything pretty much as it would later become (save Chekov who appears much later). These first two versions feature a wealth of different characters, many of whom would never return, and in the second, early as yet not fully-formed versions of Scott and Sulu. It was almost never heard of for a network to commission another pilot - having not exactly been totally blown away by the first one. If they hadn't thought again, and Roddenberry hadn't persisted ... we wouldn't be here now - discussing nearly 50 years of Star Trek in all its forms.


They also represent a cross-over visually from the 1950s into the 1960s. The two pilots have a very 50s feel about them. Science fiction films in those days looked like Forbidden Planet - hugely technocoloured with fantastical backgrounds. The uniforms, equipment and even the fact that the Enterprise has a saucer section is all a hang-over from the great visual themes of 1950s B-movie sc-fi. As the show got under way properly, it left some of this behind and gained its more 60s stylings. Uniforms changed colour and got more refined (and mini-skirts) - so did the bridge and other sets.


I think these first two shows really form a link between 1950s and 1960s science fiction on the screen.


to boldy go where no man has gone before

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 10:05 am

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>Though I can't explain why Spock didn't grab the phaser and shoot the 'monster'.


Maybe Spock saw it as his chance to finally become Captain; that luck was finally on his side. . . .


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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 2:52 pm

Charlie X
I didn’t realize Kirk wore the green tunic from the beginning. It’s interesting that in this episode the Enterprise is in its original configuration with the larger deflector dish and antennae on the bussard collectors. Where’s Scotty, he’s not in the first 2 episodes? Kirk smiles when Uhura starts singing? Isn’t that unVulcan?
It’s funny, they mention Saurian Brandy again, and at the moment Rand walks in, lol. Awww, poor fellow has never seen a girl before, HAHAHA, what do you mean you don’t go around slapping girls on the butt?
I like how they show Kirk being given and signing status reports. You never saw the others do that and it just makes sense.
Kirk is amazing in this episode, he is faced with a living weapon that could kill him and everyone else with a thought but he maintains his authority and refuses to be pushed around by a teenager while still remaining respectful to the boy. After all the kid does, Kirk still is open to keeping him and training him to be a man; it’s one of those traits that him a legend.

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Report this Dec. 17 2010, 8:36 pm

Where No Man Has Gone Before
This episode is more powerful, deeper than episodes 1 and 2. It also has “The Cage” uniforms and was clearly filmed before epidoes 1 and 2. So why is this episode 3? It also has Scotty but the first 2 didn’t; but there is no McCoy, Uhura, or Rand? Sulu is not the helmsman, Scotty is at the helm and Spock shows emotion. Why the character additions and changes?
It’s interesting how they talk about ESP like it’s an established fact and it seemed like bad captaining for Kirk to get a message warning that something bad will happen when the galaxy is left but goes anyways.
All and all, I’m very impressed. And is the blonde he nearly married Marcus? If it is, between mentioning her and Mitchell having a long history with Kirk, I think this would be a great sequel to ST09. Too bad Mitchell wasn’t in ST09, it would make a logical progression.

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Report this Dec. 18 2010, 6:07 am

Fair point BB. I would totally agree with your comment. If DVD viewers wish to follow that process which involves a little bit more investigation (reading the detailed information) - that would be the way to go. Yes indeed. It's certainly the way I would do it.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 18 2010, 10:04 am

The Naked Time
Did anyone notice that between the credits, the Enterprise model changed? And finally some red shirts, but none of them die! This was also the first usage of, “I can’t change the laws of physics.”

The dude hating space travel made no sense; they had been doing it hundreds of years by then! Also, loved it when Kirk steps onto the bridge and McCoy just rips open his shirt. Was it really necessary? It was just spontaneously violent, I couldn’t stop laughing.

There were some great Spock moments in the episode. How exactly, nurse, do Vulcan men treat their women strangely? It was powerful stuff where the virus makes Spock lose control when Nurse Chapel tells him she loves him and he sniffles a bit. Then he starts crying and tries to control his emotions by doing math. Nimoy had a very gripping performance in that scene, fighting to hold himself together. When he has security remove Sulu from the bridge and says , “Take d'Artagnan here to sickbay,” that has to be the funniest Spock line ever!

I have a couple of questions for the TOS fans- Was there something going on between Kirk and Rand as well as Spock and Chappell throughout the show?So they invented a way to time travel in this episode by changing the matter/anti-matter mix?

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Report this Dec. 19 2010, 9:39 am

Thank you for the answers, Mr Viking. It's nice to have the input as I go through the show. I do remember from watching the episode Miri years ago that Rand, I think, said she was always trying to get Kirk to look at her legs.

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 9:06 am

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The best way to watch the series is to start first with The Cage and then move onto Where No Man Has Gone Before and then subsequently follow the season dates in order of weekly release.

The reason for doing this is to see the thing unravel and develop as Roddenberry presented it to Desilu. Watch the first pilot (without Kirk) which is a neat little story in itself. Weigh up for yourself whether Pike would have been a better lead character. Personally I think not - because he is very serious, lacking the wit and charm of Kirk. The Cage also presents us with an earlier reading of Spock and the enigmatic Number One (whose character later subsume with Spock and Barrett became Chapel instead). There is no McCoy and he doesn't appear in the second pilot either. The doctor here - Piper - is quite forgetable, but in Where No Man Has Gone Before we see the arrival of James T. Kirk and a legend is born. We also see that Mitchell was a close friend of Kirk and wonder what might have become of the Gary Lockwood character.

The first two pilots see the show evolving. It gets fine-tuned before your eyes before settling down in the third episode with everything pretty much as it would later become (save Chekov who appears much later). These first two versions feature a wealth of different characters, many of whom would never return, and in the second, early as yet not fully-formed versions of Scott and Sulu. It was almost never heard of for a network to commission another pilot - having not exactly been totally blown away by the first one. If they hadn't thought again, and Roddenberry hadn't persisted ... we wouldn't be here now - discussing nearly 50 years of Star Trek in all its forms.

They also represent a cross-over visually from the 1950s into the 1960s. The two pilots have a very 50s feel about them. Science fiction films in those days looked like Forbidden Planet - hugely technocoloured with fantastical backgrounds. The uniforms, equipment and even the fact that the Enterprise has a saucer section is all a hang-over from the great visual themes of 1950s B-movie sc-fi. As the show got under way properly, it left some of this behind and gained its more 60s stylings. Uniforms changed colour and got more refined (and mini-skirts) - so did the bridge and other sets.

I think these first two shows really form a link between 1950s and 1960s science fiction on the screen.

The airing order is not how the episodes were presented to Desilu, Ghostmojo, it was how NBC chose to air them. Remember, the series were made BY Desilu, then given to NBC. It's actually better to watch "The Cage" then "Where No Man" as you mention, but then watch in Production Order rather than airing order, and you more clearly see the development of the show.

I've always wanted to watch the series in Production Order. I'm on winter break right now, so maybe I will....

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 3:56 pm

The Enemy Within (or as I would title it “Fisher and Rand have a bad day”)
I’m didn’t like this episode, it made me mad. At first though, there was a positive note when they show a black transporter operator. It was the second time Star Trek showed a black person in a position of authority, which was quite the big deal. In fact, you would expect more black fans and respect from the minority community for this.
Now for what I didn’t like:
There is nothing savage Kirk wants more than Yeoman Rand. I can’t believe they showed attempted rape 5 episodes in. Then, they make her face her accused attempted rapist in sickbay? Wow! Then Kirk just dismisses her from sickbay in disgrace!?! How does she trust him again for the rest of the show, knowing the rapist is back inside? That was terrible, certainly not the enlightenment you expect from Star Trek.
I also don’t like how the episode says the negative, primal, violent sides are vital to being an effective leader. So there is a rapist in all strong leaders? Without violent tendencies, a man has no ability to take charge?
Lastly, Spock doesn’t declare Kirk unfit for command? Why? Men on the survace are about to die and Kirk can’t make a decision. Then, there is a crazy captain on the bridge, threatening the other one and no one tries to restain him, Spock included? Really?
And the funny-
Sulu must have been happy huddled in the cold with 3 technicians. You know that he wanted to suggest effective means of staying warm.
And this episode did inspire me: the next star trek convention I go to, I’m putting a horn and antennae on my lhasa apso and bringing him with me.

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Report this Dec. 22 2010, 3:28 pm

1:6 Mudd’s Women
I like how perfectly posed the chicks were for transport. Yet, even in their glamorous state, they are far from the hottest women the show ever had. Are the women addicted? They act so euphoric when they get the drug and so fatigued without it. Also, with the drug, they are suddenly followed by good lighting. Plus, it’s odd that in this episode, Mudd’s women are the only women they show aboard the ship except Uhura who’s wearing yellow.
So far in the show, McCoy seems hornier than Kirk.
A couple Spock issues: He smiles like 3 times. Also,his heart is where is our left kidney is according to Spock and McCoy.
I was shocked they said “jackass” on tv in the 60’s!?! Why do they keep calling dilithium, lithium?
I’d conclude that this episode is nowhere near as good as the first five, but the actor playing Mudd does an excellent job!

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Report this Dec. 23 2010, 11:41 am

Thanks, mr irish king, you are making this journey so much better.

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Report this Dec. 23 2010, 2:29 pm

I started watching the series straight through about three years ago, but got sidetracked after the first half season and haven't gotten back to them. Gotta restart again!

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