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shield technology on Enterprise

Doc Boomstick

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 9:31 pm

Shield technology is seen on NX-01 through all future versions of the Enterprise. So how much better was the shielding on each model based on what we've seen? I recall the ENT D holding up quite well from TOS era weapons and ENT E definitely took a beating in Nemesis before failing. However, how would all of these versions compare to each other? How much better were Kirk's TOS shields compared to Archer's?  So we have NX-01, NCC-1701, A, B, C, D, and E. Throw in future versions if you like and let's add the Defiant and Voyager just to represent everyone.


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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 5:41 am

I don't know if the Kazon just had weak weapons but Voyager seemed to have pretty stout sheilds.

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 6:10 am

Nx-01 neither had defensive shields nor emergency force fields. They experimented with the technology in only one episode. Enterprise had hull polarization. It is based upon a fairly recent finding that showed ceramics are made stronger when electrically charged, it hasn't been shown to work in metals, however. That's what ent does, charge the outer hull to strengthen it. As for later ships, they didn't go into the shields that much, I think they want to keep them magic.

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 12:13 pm

NX-01 hull polarization strength is okay considering it's just hull polarization.
NCC-1701 had godlike level shield strength The shields rarely ever failed and if it did it was only to the likes of nomad or the doomsday machine.
NCC-1701-A had ok shields it did withstand a dozen or so torpedoes from chang's BOP.
NCC-1701-B shields were okay since it did withstand the nexus for quite some time.
NCC-1701-C had lousy shields (yesterday's enterprise).
NCC-1701-D had lousy shields
NCC-1701-E had decent shields it did withstand a lot of disrupter hits from the scimitar
Voyager- lousy shields
Defiant- good shields for a ship of its size

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 12:28 pm

Quote: tribblenator999 @ Dec. 15 2010, 12:13 pm

NX-01 hull polarization strength is okay considering it's just hull polarization. NCC-1701 had godlike level shield strength The shields rarely ever failed and if it did it was only to the likes of nomad or the doomsday machine. NCC-1701-A had ok shields it did withstand a dozen or so torpedoes from chang's BOP. NCC-1701-B shields were okay since it did withstand the nexus for quite some time. NCC-1701-C had lousy shields (yesterday's enterprise). NCC-1701-D had lousy shields NCC-1701-E had decent shields it did withstand a lot of disrupter hits from the scimitar Voyager- lousy shields Defiant- good shields for a ship of its size


I somewhat agree with these if you are talking about how good they were for their eras. I have no doubt that D's shields would easily withstand more equivalent strikes than A's shields, for example. My questions was really a matter of just how much better everyone thought they were. For example, could the Ent E just let NX-01 fire all day at it or would it eventually have to return fire or take evasive action? How does Voyager stack up against Defiant, D, etc.

You make a good point about the original TOS Enterprise never losing its shields, but I guess space battles were a little more rare then. I guess Gene's original vision didn't call for a lot of shoot outs. For the record, I think the D's shields were the most inconsistent. One episode they are taking multiple hits from peer vessles and the next a single photon torpedo can nearly destroy the ship.

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 3:26 pm

obviously sheilds got more powerful as the weapon systems that they were made to withstand got more powerfull. The same, as tribblenator put it, godlike shields that 1701 had would probably fail after only a few phaser strikes by the Defiant, or for that matter any of the 24th century ships (and even faster with Photon or Quantum Torpedos), and the Hull Pulerization, as seen in Mirror Darkly with the Defiant, wouldn't even hold a candle to the 1701 and the A's weapons (and thier defenses would be, theoreticly, much better then those seen in the prime universe).


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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 3:30 pm

The way I perceive the ships, I'd rate them approximately like this:

Ent-D 100% (as reference)
Ent-C about about 60% of Ent-D equivalent (if it was in good shape, e.g. not like in the TNG episode)
Ent-E maybe 120%?
Original Enterprise about 25%
Miranda class in the Dominion War (good benchmark for what the original Enterprise could achieve if it were upgraded to contemporary tech): maybe 40%
Defiant, about 60-70% (which is very much considering its small profile and maneuverablity)
Voyager, about 50%

This is just about how they "feel to me" much firepower they could absorb, no tactical considerations included.

PS: NX-01 I don't know much about, but considering the era... I'd say maybe 5% of Ent-D equivalent, 10% tops. (I think it's definitely further away from the original Ent than the orignal Ent is from the Ent-D, because by the time of Kirk the Feds had already figured their stuff out quite well)

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 4:23 pm

Quote: Doc Boomstick @ Dec. 15 2010, 12:28 pm

I somewhat agree with these if you are talking about how good they were for their eras. I have no doubt that D's shields would easily withstand more equivalent strikes than A's shields, for example. My questions was really a matter of just how much better everyone thought they were. For example, could the Ent E just let NX-01 fire all day at it or would it eventually have to return fire or take evasive action? How does Voyager stack up against Defiant, D, etc. You make a good point about the original TOS Enterprise never losing its shields, but I guess space battles were a little more rare then. I guess Gene's original vision didn't call for a lot of shoot outs. For the record, I think the D's shields were the most inconsistent. One episode they are taking multiple hits from peer vessles and the next a single photon torpedo can nearly destroy the ship.


ok you wanted ship to ship comparison instead of ship in comparison to its era.

NCC-1701 could sit there all day while the nX-01 is blasting away all day without returning fire. The NCC-1701-B would barely make it out alive against the NCC-1701-A and that's depending on who's the captain. The NCC-1701-C would be crushed by the NCC-1701-D. The NCC-1701 B would kill the NCC-1701-C. The NCC-1701-D would not last against the Enterprise-E. Defiant would annhilate voyager. The Enterprise-E would annhilate the defiant.

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 4:26 pm

Quote: Camorite @ Dec. 15 2010, 3:26 pm

obviously sheilds got more powerful as the weapon systems that they were made to withstand got more powerfull. The same, as tribblenator put it, godlike shields that 1701 had would probably fail after only a few phaser strikes by the Defiant, or for that matter any of the 24th century ships (and even faster with Photon or Quantum Torpedos), and the Hull Pulerization, as seen in Mirror Darkly with the Defiant, wouldn't even hold a candle to the 1701 and the A's weapons (and thier defenses would be, theoreticly, much better then those seen in the prime universe).



you would think so wouldn't you but trek is inconsistent at times more so with the 24th century trek. it just seems that in general ships shields in 24th century weren't build to fight. I mean every hit that the ships take the shields go down by 20-25%. This could be found in many Voyager episodes, DS9, and TNG.

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 4:51 am

shields are one of those pieces of magic technology that writers can manipulate at will. Debating whether the writers were consistent about their properties is one thing. Debating about which is better is dumb and senseless. Of course as time went on, the tech was better. Why not argue the battleship Missouri had better weapons than the ironclad Monitor but the Monitor had better guns than a modern missile frigate? Though shields are fantasy, the logical evolution of tech cannot be ignored.

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 6:57 am

Right, Matthias, it does seem that with each progressive class of ship, the technology will be better than the last.

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 9:16 am

I wonder why they got rid of the TOS automatic deflector screens.

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Report this Dec. 17 2010, 4:16 pm

I never really thought of this before, but in First Contact the Enterprise had the traditional "bubble shield" appearance but by First Contact the shields fit the shape of the ship's hull. I guess it makes for a less cornball appearance in the movie? I'm not sure what the explanation is for this change but it makes a lot of sense. If the shields are every bit as good it would keep weapons from draining energy from the shields with shots that might have missed the ship anyway.

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