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catwixen

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 5:42 am

I am an idealist. I really do believe we could have a society with no bigotry one day. With open discussions on topics such as euthanasia, which was discussed in the last episode of Voyager that I watched.


Maybe in Star Trek they simplify matters too much? Maybe the poverty and/or religious struggles we have today complicate matters in a way that would not happen in a more ideal society?


Just wondering if people here think it might ever be possible...this seemingly near Utopic lifestyle. I know there are still battles within Star Trek. But they do not seem to be bigoted in nature...unless one is a klingon lol

2takesfrakes

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 5:57 am

Stop, Look & Listen, Baby ...
That's MY Philosophy!

___Lucifer___

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 7:30 pm

idealistic communist hippie peaceniks

spydertrek

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 12:02 am

I believe that despite how good and Utopian that might seem, it is impossible. There will always be greedy people or bad people to ruin things (Fox News for example) though I would like a peaceful world.

Good guys always win. 'India's like a neverending Comicon where everyone's wearing the same costume!' -Raj, Big Bang Theory 'Khan!' -Captain Kirk 'I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!' -Dr. McCoy 'Bazingitty.' -Stephen Scott 'I'm a Trekker, not a Trekkie.' -Stephen Scott 'Greetings, humanoid.' -Stephen Scott 'Dude, just because the rest of your friends are retards doesn't mean I am.' -Stephen Scott 'If you go with the flow, you may get swept away by the current.' -Stephen Scott

Ozzie_MOD1023

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 1:42 pm

I think, best case scenario, we'll create a peaceful society that tries to emulate the Star Trek society. Bigotry, hate, & greed will always exist, but we can hope someday the people owned by those feelings will be such a small minority that they will have little influence.

Hold Fast

KelisThePoet

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 1:57 pm

I believe that if we keep telling stories like Star Trek, if the values of those stories resonate, at least with some people, then those people will at least partially realize those values in their own actions, and the world will be better, if not perfect.

To quote "myself": "Do you know what this place used to be, a hundred years ago? A temple. And this was the altar stone. Every year, a victim would be sacrificed on it, in honor of winter. And then one year--nobody remembers exactly when or why--a play took the place of the ritual. And no one had to die here again. Why can't my play take the place of a war?"

Falor was a prosperous merchant who went on a journey to gain greater awareness: Through storms he crossed the Voroth Sea/ To reach the clouded shores of Raal/ Where old T’Para offered truth./ He traveled through the windswept hills/ And crossed the barren Fire Plains/ To find the silent monks of Kir./ Still unfulfilled, he journeyed home/ Told stories of the lessons learned/ And gained true wisdom by the giving. – Falor’s Journey, “Innocence”

UNTRugby

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 2:39 pm

Star trek has just as much bigotry and hatred as we do today with the corrupt captains and admirals, to intolerance of Klingon religion, to other societies filled with social problems.

Doc Boomstick

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 9:48 pm

War, bigotry, and all other evils were eliminated from the Federation planets because they exterminated poverty. Nobody had a reason to attack others because everyone had what they needed. Sure, people seemed more evolved because their motivations were not purely of self, but these values could only come about when people had the luxury of thinking about it. It's a historical truth

konarciq

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 12:20 pm

It´s always worth striving for.

And for the rest, I´ll simply second (and admire!) Kelis the Poet´s post!

If there is nothing wrong with me, then maybe there´s something wrong with the universe? -Dr. Crusher

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 3:14 pm

Depends on what part of the "philosophy" - I hope we never get to that socialist "open society" - but I do hope we overcome disease and starvation and make significant technological leaps through individual contributions (and reward.)


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 7:43 pm

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>i hear things like "learn and earn" and social change through "individual contribution and reward" and i am made to feel sad.

>while these sayings are clever and sound good at first, they are NEVER supported by research and those that talk about them never actually practice them. in general, the data shows, that those who have the least (individually) give more both as a whole and a larger percent than the very few who have the most; etc. those who 'learn' the most don't actually make more than those who were born that way (bill gates dropped out of harvard) and when you talk about rewarding a contribution you are talking about either transactional analysis or contingent reward theory and both only have the weakest of research support. in fact, you get better performance from a group if they have a good leader with strong group ideals and ethics than paying them more, in fact performance becomes dependent on raises and bonuses ending in the current compensation system that just imploded on us. contingent reward is the poorest way to improve performance.

>in general, talking points have no emperical support; though they sound clever (rhetoric) etc.

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What 'data' do you cite? Throughout history, government control has stifled invention and individual wealth (outside of royalty,) but when people were allowed to pursue their interests and get rewarded for their efforts, good things happen.  (And if people are allowed to fail, they learn from failure - think Thomas Edison & his light bulb.) This is why one of reasons why the USA became wealthiest nation - which we've lost due to massive overspending.  I also remember seeing a world per capita GDP chart a few months ago and it was relatively flat from about 5000 BC to 1800 AD and then GDP went almost straight up - primarily due to the personal freedom that the US Constitution guarantees.  (How many people in other socialist countries are as wealthy?)


You mention Bill Gates - yes, he grew up in a somewhat wealthy family, but his parents wealth didn't make Microsoft - BillG and his incredible abilities and work (as well as the people he hired) did.


How much good has government entitlements worked? Government rewards failure. 


As for the compensation that "imploded on us" - this was caused by government trying to control things via bad regulation - and in some cases, forcing certain bad business practices (lookup Community Reinvestment Act.)  Also, these huge bubbles don't exist without the Federal Reserve system.


We'll have to agree to disagree.


HaventGotALife

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 8:42 pm

Quote: catwixen @ Dec. 13 2010, 5:42 am

I am an idealist. I really do believe we could have a society with no bigotry one day. With open discussions on topics such as euthanasia, which was discussed in the last episode of Voyager that I watched.

Maybe in Star Trek they simplify matters too much? Maybe the poverty and/or religious struggles we have today complicate matters in a way that would not happen in a more ideal society?

Just wondering if people here think it might ever be possible...this seemingly near Utopic lifestyle. I know there are still battles within Star Trek. But they do not seem to be bigoted in nature...unless one is a klingon lol



So much of our culture is based upon the laws of supply and demand. To reach a point in the world when we could think outside of resources and profitability seems idealistic. Of course, 400 years ago knew that Monarchy was a dead system of government? It is a human construct--society--so we could eliminate poverty if we united everyone in the cause to make sure your neighbor has a place to stay. I don't think that society allows for as much individual room between us as Star Trek portrays. We would live in small spaces, close to each other, sharing meals and childcare among each other. It's near impossible to gain access to everything you need, as an individual, without money.

And whatever we happen to believe within ourselves, our society would be tested. I think the need for the military is explored, especially in Deep Space Nine. A National Defense is necessary because we have to be prepared to avoid someone conquering us. No matter our culture, we would have to preserve it. I think that is unrealistic.

Its stories are about the depth and complexity of human interaction and relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 9:04 pm

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I believe the word bambam wanted to use was "cite" as in citation.

common mistake.

look up "sight", "site", and "cite". i know english is a tough BS language (honestly, it is confusing).

and OK i will look up the data sets and give you the "citations" but i doubt that you have access to the databases to look it up; but i will give it a shot.

LLAP


Ooops - yea - "cite" - thanks - I fixed that.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 9:06 pm

double post - no message


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Dec. 20 2010, 9:09 pm

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>alright so my professor took the class off-line so i have to wait for her to get back to me after christmas.

>so i found a credible news source that interviewed I/O psychologists (HRM people) and they talk about the various research done in the last 30 years

>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4617a8b4-fd57-11df-b83c-00144feab49a.html#axzz18ibNnNji

>hope this helps.

>goes to my point that Star Trek saw that financial motivation was insufficient long before we had proof.

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I'm not saying that pay is the only factor, but it is extremely important. When people get rewarded the same, regardless of production, why try?  (I saw this a lot when I worked in the government - top performers were given same as people who barely showed up to work - and often had do extra work to cover for the slackers.)


I suggest reading Atlas Shrugged


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