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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 1:45 am

Can't say...torn between 2 and 11.


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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 5:34 am

First Contact!  Although 2 and 6 are very high on the list.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 6:10 am

The Undiscovered Country is the best, followed by the Voyage Home, than The Wrath of Khan.

The Bottom three? Insurrection, Generations, Nemesis.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 6:16 am

Wrath of Khan sets the standard by which all the other films are measured, both within the fanbase AND critically.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 10:15 am

1. THE MOTION PICTURE
2. THE FINAL FRONTIER
3. INSURRECTION
4. NEMESIS
5. THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
6. GENERATIONS
7. FIRST CONTACT
8. THE WRATH OF KHAN
9. THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY
10. THE VOYAGE HOME

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 11:30 am

It pleases me, no end to see
INSURRECTION ranking so high,
on someone else's list. It's a
wonderfully entertaining movie!


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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 12:58 pm

Well to copy Zaltar here is my master list.

1) The Undiscovered Country. A masterpiece by my man Nicholas Meyer
2) The Voyage Home. A great time travel film that used the signature humor of TOS to it's fullest potential
3) The Wrath of Khan. Great villian, great emotion - another signature piece by Nicholas Meyer
4) First Contact. The only TNG film that is worth anything, and some of the best acting by Patrick Stewart.
5)The Motion Picture. Overly long and overly weird it still proved that Star Trek could be done on the big screen
6) The Search for Spock. A strange movie, and a strange villian.
7) Generations. Poorly done, but still watchable
8) The Final Frontier. A showy, weird movie, but still some great acting.
9) Nemesis. A ok attempt, but an unforgivable ending.
10) Insurrection - the less said the better.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 6:35 pm

Again, torn between 2 and 11.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 7:10 pm

I actually find it odd that Undiscovered Country is so universally loved.

From my point-of-view, it was very cheap looking, had more plotholes than even the typical Star Trek movie, had a bloated uninteresting midsection, and a fairly uninteresting cliched villian.

Of course, this comes from the guy who likes TFF, TMP, and NEM...so it's probably not worth a $hi+!

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 7:20 pm

All opinions are worth something to the right person.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 7:43 pm

Vger I am surprised. Please elaborate on the plot holes.
I can understand the "bloated middle section" I hated how much time they spent on Rura Penthe.

But Christopher Plummer was an awesome Klingon.

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 12:01 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 13 2010, 7:10 pm

>I actually find it odd that Undiscovered Country is so universally loved. From my point-of-view, it was very cheap looking, had more plotholes than even the typical Star Trek movie, had a bloated uninteresting midsection, and a fairly uninteresting cliched villian. Of course, this comes from the guy who likes TFF, TMP, and NEM...so it's probably not worth a $hi+!
Are you mad?!? Haha. I always say that if The Final Frontier was filmed with an "Undiscovered Country" feel that I would find it a lot more intriguing, and I actually don't mind The Final Frontier! I would say that Star Trek 2 would have to do it for me. But there's not much to separate that film from my other Trek movie favorites.

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 9:58 am

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Dec. 13 2010, 7:43 pm

Vger I am surprised. Please elaborate on the plot holes. I can understand the "bloated middle section" I hated how much time they spent on Rura Penthe. But Christopher Plummer was an awesome Klingon.


Again, this is all just stuff that happens to bother me / make me personally not enjoy the movie (TUC) as much as others. I fully recognize that all Star Trek films have holes / errors / inconsistencies (TWOK is HORRIBLE, but I love it, for example).

- A "subspace shockwave" that can travel, almost immediately, a significant distance across the galaxy?
- How does the explosion of Praxis affect the amount of O2 on Kronos? How is the plot point of Kronos being "uninhabitable in 50 Earth years" match what we've seen in TNG?
- The reaction of the Starfleet personnel is completely out-of-character and overblown. Starfleet didnt' define itself as a defense force primarily in place to combat the Klingon threat. But, you have high-ranking Admirals (not to mention Kirk and company) concerned that Starfleet will be mothballed and "given up." That makes no sense, and was done only to increase the plausibility of the rebellion / conspiracy that took place.
- Are you really going to send a starfleet captain to ferry the head of state of your most hated enemy for the past 70 years to a peace conference??? No formal ambassador? No heavy escort?? Kirk was right to question this, it makes no sense.
- I like how "Romulan Ale" is kind of a running joke in Meyer-Trek, but drinking Romulan Ale as depicted in the movie is the EXACT equivilant of going over the Russia in a naval aircraft carrier, picking up Gorbechev and his staff, and lighting up some weed at dinner that night with them and your officers. It's ILLEGAL. This makes no sense!
- Chang was NOT a good Klingon in my opinion. I don't see how a bald guy with an eloquent British accent prone to (badly) quoting Shakespeare makes a good villian.
- On that note, I found Nick Meyer's (who I like, by the way) over-indulgance in Shakespeare to be distracting and contrived in this film. TWOK and FC did a MUCH better job of tying in classic literature to the story and script.
- I found the entire "on-board investigation" to be horribly bogus. The fact that a quick tricorder scan would not reveal that a torpedo was not recently fired from the Enterprise's launch tubes is completely ridiculous. We have forensic sciences NOW that could tell that in a matter of minutes, probably. I also find it hard to believe that internal sensors, which can locate the presesnce of unknown organisims, viruses, etc, CAN'T find Klingon blood on floors, boots, or uniforms.
- The transporter logs would have retained the identity of Burke and Samno. The Enterprise internal sensors would have detected an unauthorized beaming.
- The external sensors would have recorded a torpedo being fired from below the ship by a cloaked vessle, even if the cloaked vessle was not detected.
- I don't even understand the whole ruse of getting Valeris to reveal herself by announcing that Burke and Samno are still alive. Wouldn't crewmembers in THIS critical a situation have been under HEAVY guard and constant monitoring??? Did Valeris really think that it was logical that she would be able to just walk into a dark room while two witnesses to a PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATION slept and murder them without a hitch? That makes no sense!! Oh...wait...that's what the writers actually wrote in this case. nevermind
- How is it that the Universal Translator can't help them properly communicate with the Klingon boarder sentries? I realize that directly using the translator would potentially be a give-away...but are you trying to tell me that the proper phrase and pronounciation couldn't be displayed on a view screen? I mean, that's a helluva lot better than using ancient Klingon books about "condemning food and supplies and things." Also, the Klingon sensors aren't equipped to distinguish the difference between a Klingon freighter and a Constitution-class Federation Starship? That's a wee bit odd.
- How is it that the "location of the peace conference" is supposed to be a closely-guarded secret, but the Excelsior (a ship commanded by a close and long-standing colleauge of Kirk's) is allowed access to the information. I would say that Excelsior's mission profile of "cataloug-ing gaseous planetary anomolies" does NOT put them on the "need to know" list.
- Tell me again why Romulan and Vulcan Ambassadors are allowed to sit in on a Military action proposal?!
- Are they really going to allow the Klingon Chief-of-Staff (who was present for the assassination attempt and is primarily a millitary guy) to act as the State's Prosecuting official????? That is absolutely, positively ridiculous!!
- How did the Klingons allow Kirk to be transported to Rura Penthe with a veridium patch in plain sight on his uniform???
- How does a Klingon delegate just walk around with a disassembled sniper rifle (seriously, the guy is given free reign) in the building where a highly volatile conference is taking place? Really, I mean...think about this happening TODAY, let alone 300 years from now when one assassination has already taken place!!
- The musical score is my least favorite of the entire series.
- The sets and special effects don't have a high-quality look to them. It looks like the movie was made too quickly on too low of a budget (which it WAS).

Anyway, that's basically it. I'm not saying I didn't like it. It's a middle-tier Trek film for me...so I have watched it more times than I can count.

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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 9:58 am

oops, double post


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Report this Dec. 14 2010, 1:17 pm

Nemesis...then i think First Contact. Insurrection was pretty good; Excelsior showed some power.

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