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food replicators?

miklamar

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Report this Dec. 11 2010, 10:46 pm

Do you think we already have the technology we would need to build a food replicator?  We reportedly know all about the human genome, so can't we analyze food and devise a way to reconstruct it?


I think we could take amino acids and use ribosomes to connect them into edible foods.  (I don't know what they'd taste like!)  We could start with chemicals in separate containers and have the computer mix them together, according to their chemical recipes, starting with something like tomato soup.


Our first attempts at food-replication could be simply mixing chemicals, from separate containers, to make a food-product.  These chemicals should be divided in such a way that they don't interact prematurely, to form something else.  For example, H2O would still remain water in a container.


We could even begin by keying in the right keys on a touchscreen, rather than requiring voice-activation, to simplify the process.


Thinking about food-replication is making me hungry!  Pardon me, while I go get a snack!


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 2:28 pm

You mean using nanotechnology to assemble molecules.That is being done mow.It is crude now do to only handful of of molecules have been assembled but it is getting bigger all the time.

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Report this Dec. 15 2010, 6:44 pm

You would have to first ask yourself why you would want to spend an enormous amount of energy to create a tiny amount of food when there are far easier ways of making food. Replicators are only possible in Trek because they basically have unlimited energy.

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 5:08 pm

Replicators are only possible in Trek because they basically have unlimited energy.

Then why is there replicator rationing in TNG "Yesterday's Enterprise" and Voyager?

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 5:14 pm

Not only would massive amounts of wasted energy, replicated food has always been shown to be inferior to real food. Even today's cultured meat (meat grown in labs) tastes inferior to the real thing.

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Report this Dec. 16 2010, 6:00 pm

Quote: ___Lucifer___ @ Dec. 16 2010, 5:14 pm

Not only would massive amounts of wasted energy, replicated food has always been shown to be inferior to real food. Even today's cultured meat (meat grown in labs) tastes inferior to the real thing.


Like KFC, yeah apparently the coronal stole the recipe from Eliza a black man who worked on his plantation, who knew?

But what scientist should bring to life is the pizza from the movie, Back-to-the-Future. You place a small cube like object into the micro-wave and votre pizza est prête.

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miklamar

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Report this Dec. 18 2010, 10:39 pm

Replicator food would be used when real food is not readily available, so it's a matter of need, rather than preference. On space stations like DS9, where they have real restaurants, they seem to serve real food.
But, I think we could begin to develop replicator technology by mixing chemicals to produce the desired food-product. As we become better at it, we could eventually combine atoms--which are practically everywhere--to make these products.
Sooner or later, the existing farmland on Earth will be nutritionally exhausted. So, why not start preparing for the future now, to avoid catastrophes?

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Dec. 19 2010, 2:32 pm

Quote: miklamar @ Dec. 18 2010, 10:39 pm

Replicator food would be used when real food is not readily available, so it's a matter of need, rather than preference. On space stations like DS9, where they have real restaurants, they seem to serve real food. But, I think we could begin to develop replicator technology by mixing chemicals to produce the desired food-product. As we become better at it, we could eventually combine atoms--which are practically everywhere--to make these products. Sooner or later, the existing farmland on Earth will be nutritionally exhausted. So, why not start preparing for the future now, to avoid catastrophes?


A lot of food additives, cooking supplies, vitamins, and all sorts of other things we eat or take as supplements are made just how you describe.

Now rearranging molecules in a whole different scenario. Even if we had 100% efficient methods of doing such things, and I have to be honest and say this technology is nowhere close to becoming reality, than it would still take an enormous amount of energy, so what you are proposing would be used in situations where there is an ample energy source and this type of technology yet not enough naturally grown food. I think in this scenario we would be more likely to start taking all of the supplements and amino acids our body needs rather than trying to create food sources that also have those compounds. We don't actually need everything that we eat in order to live.

I think that a more practical solution in the near future would be engineering ways to convert existing resources into usable food. Imagine if we could harness the power of photosynthesis and create some kind of biological conversion device that would allow organic clothing (plants) to use sunlight to create much of the nutrition we need. It's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

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Report this Dec. 23 2010, 12:37 am

At least biologically converted food should taste better than the old toothpaste or pills considered previously as food for astronauts!

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 7:48 pm

Merry Christmas, or Happy Hanukkay, everyone! I hope you are all surviving the winter.
Today, while reading STNG's Technical Manual, it seemed to indicate that replicators used about 37 million electric volts (MeV), to dematerialize food items. Medical facilities can currently accelerate proton beams to as much as 250 MeV (Wikipedia, "Proton Therapy"). So, unless boosting its frequency to 25.1 gigahertz (GHz), then replicator technology might be possible now!
What do you think?

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 8:29 pm

The entire reason and experience of food harvesting and understanding of it would be lost, if replicators were present. It would defeat one of our prime aspects of being a species. Although, having a replicator for cleaning the dishes would be nice. LOL!

It's strange, being a catalyst for things that move outside.

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Report this Dec. 24 2010, 8:47 pm

If we could use replicator technology now, it would probably only supplement agricultural products. But, together, they could help erase world hunger. Wouldn't that be great?!

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Dec. 26 2010, 2:27 am

Quote: miklamar @ Dec. 24 2010, 7:48 pm

Merry Christmas, or Happy Hanukkay, everyone! I hope you are all surviving the winter. Today, while reading STNG's Technical Manual, it seemed to indicate that replicators used about 37 million electric volts (MeV), to dematerialize food items. Medical facilities can currently accelerate proton beams to as much as 250 MeV (Wikipedia, "Proton Therapy"). So, unless boosting its frequency to 25.1 gigahertz (GHz), then replicator technology might be possible now! What do you think?

A pseudomorphic heterojunction bipolar transistor (HBT) developed at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, built from indium phosphide and indium gallium arsenide and designed with compositionally graded collector, base and emitter, was demonstrated to attain frequencies between 604 gigahertz-710 gigahertz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterojunction_bipolar_transistor).

A pseudomorphic mineral has an uncharacteristic crystalline form as a result of assuming the shape of another mineral that it has replaced (Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003).

This HBT, operating at 604-710 gigahertz, might be ccombined with a proton beam, to help dematerailize food items for replicators.

Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Dec. 27 2010, 7:56 am

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The entire reason and experience of food harvesting and understanding of it would be lost, if replicators were present. It would defeat one of our prime aspects of being a species. Although, having a replicator for cleaning the dishes would be nice. LOL!
Lol. Remember Sisko going off about how lazy his son is? "He can't even put his dishes back in the replicator!" If only life was so simple...


Tee! hee..

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Report this Dec. 29 2010, 1:08 am

Speaking of dishes, the first items to be replicated would probably be in either liquid or mushy form (like mashed potatoes or baby-food), rather than in their usual form, since it might be hard to replicate an apple in its roundish shape. Unlike Star Trek replicators, the first replicators would probably require you to put a cup, bowl or container of some kind underneath the terminal points or tubes, to receive the replicated food or drink you'd requested. Further advances would probably have to occur, in order to get cups and plates produced, without their being part of the food item! (Remember The Fly?)


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