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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 2:54 pm

This is a subject that goes to the very heart of every star trek fan as it was the first real step towards achieving, what we all hope, will be a future similar to that in star trek, and that is the Moon Landing.


Roughly a year and a half ago i did another thread on this site about this very subject when the popular Discovery Channle show Mythbusters tackled this very subject. In all of their experiments it was show, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we did in fact land on the moon, and they even rapped up the show by sending a laser signal to a reflective serface that was left by one of the Appolo Missions and recieving it back.


Now another popular show, Fact or Facked: Paranormal Files, has yet agian tackled this subject and tested three highly contraversial videos from two of the Appolo Missions. The first was when the austronaut dropped a feather and a hammer at the same time, the second was when and austronaut jumped up in the air, while saluting the flag, and the last showed an astronaut being helped up and just popping up in what many consider an unatual way.


Their findings on the matter showed that the feather/hammer test could be faked by simly putting a small strip of titanium along the center of the feather. However, though they were able to properly recreat the video, i couldn't help but to notice that they failed to take into consideration that in the actual video the object fall at about half the speed that they fell in the experiment. this alone, IMO, proves that the comspericy people are full of it on this one.


Next they tested the jump/salute. they first tried it with spring boots, but found that it was to much of an effort by the person doing so (they were in full space gear for all three experiments), as well as that the person didn't reach the same hight as the astronaut in the video. Next they tried it with a wire, and though they were able to properly recreat the video there were two things that caught my eye that they either missed or decided not to mention. First was the dust that was kicked up in the original video. though the bulk of it does settle, a large amount still flies off out of camera range. The second was that in the experiment (and i will note that they did see this initially) it looks like the person is leaning forward a little, unlike in the video. I am not trying to state that these two items are conclusive evidence that it was not faked, but they do draw some interesting questions that, IMO, tthe conspiricy people don't want us to think about.


In the last experiment they tackled, what i will call, the spring up video, as the conspiricy people are trying to make us think that this is imposible without the aid of a wire. Again they were able to recreat the video, using a wire, however i would like to point out two things. First off is something that they themselves stated, and that is that space suits are presurized and usually remain in the standing position. This, along with the lower gravity of the moon could be the reasons for the spring up of the fallen astronaut. The second is that, in the experiment, the conector for the wire harness and wire could be clearly seen (and yes they did distort the image to near the same quality of the original film). Now when you take into consideration that in the salute video that they did before this the conspiricy people are shouting about being able to see the wire, and there is no evidence of a wire in this one, IMO, it is clear that this was not faked.


In the end they concluded that, though the technology was around to fake the moon landing, they still believe that it was not faked. So clearly the question is, as it was in my original thread over a year ago, do you believe that these tests show that it was faked or it really happened?


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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 3:33 pm

Look, I work at kennedy space center. I've seen the sites and hardware first hand. It would have been more expensive to fake the stuff than actually do it. People who think this was faked have no idea what it took to make it happen. Plus, it was a race and if there was any reason to believe it didn't happen, the russians would have cried foul, which never happened. I can also say, as an engineer, landing on the moon isn't difficult with enough money and technology. Both of which we had and is well documented. There is more evidence of a moon landing than that we dropped 2 atomic bombs on japan.

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 4:16 pm

Thanks Mathias, it is good to actually hear from someone that actually worked for NASA. oh, just in case nobody understood me from my OP, i happen to think that anyone that still believes that there is a conspiracy about the moon landing is, with all due respect, a nutjob who must still believe in the toothfairy and the easter bunny.


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 4:19 pm

well the people I talk to say that the moon landing was too advanced for it's time and it's dubious that we actually went to the moon. A big indicator why the moon landing is questionable... is the stuff we can see on screen...a big indicator is the US flag waving...in space.

"take us out"...

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 4:28 pm

that was actually one of the things that they tested on Mythbusters over a year ago. they placed a flag, in the rig model that they used on the moon, and placed it in a zero atmousphear room at NASA, and they found that it flaps more without atmousphear then it does with it. if you doubt this just take a look at the link below. (and if you wanted to see any of the other experiments that they did on that episode, you should be able to easily access them through this link)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhab86KoVjU


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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 4:43 pm

I believe we landed on the moon, but I do have a question for curiosities sake (and forgive my ignorance I am not well versed on this topic) Who filmed Neal Armstrong stepping on to the moon in the first place? Since he was the first seems weird. Did they just film Him or someone else coming out of the lunar lander at a later time and then broadcast that image with his Voice?

So this dyslexic walks into a bra...

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 4:57 pm

that is a good question, maybe, since he worked at NASA (or claims to have) Mathias can answer that one when he returns to look at what has been said.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 6:06 pm

i just wanna say, what would be the point of faking it? why go through all that of faking something that trivial. i just think conspiracy theorist just comes up with things to disagree with because they have no life and nothing else better to do.
i mean come on, with the right telescope you can see the lander on the moon, does that mean "THEY" made the telescopes to do that. i think not. and if by some weird chance that they didnt go to the moon, then so what. but you're right Mathias, if we had faked it, the Russians wouldve called us out on that one. and remind us how many more times people have been back to the moon since the first landing? i forgot but i think it was at least 12 or so more people have been back to the moon since then. or 12 in total. why would they all lie about it. what would they gain?

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 6:32 pm

To jesusismyadvocate: Armstrong was filmed by a camera mounted on the outside of the lunar lander, so he was indeed the first on the moon.

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 9:10 pm

Sorry i didn't mention this earlier, but YES means that you believe that moon landing happened, and NO means that you don't, sorry for any confusion this may have caused.

Oh and Caesar, thanks for claifying that.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 9:11 pm

Of course it happened. But, I have read reports that the astronauts saw alien spacecraft and/or artifacts there on the Moon. At least one source says the UFOs--who did not want us to return there--sabotaged Apollo 13, but that another group helped them return safely to Earth. It is interesting that, for some unexplained reason, we haven't tried to land men on the Moon since then!
By the way, I think I may have voted the wrong way: I voted to indicate we did land on the Moon.

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 11:06 pm

Quote: miklamar @ Dec. 03 2010, 9:11 pm

> It is interesting that, for some unexplained reason, we haven't tried to land men on the Moon since then!


unexplained? the cost is massive and the reward is minimal not to mention we landed on the moon 4 times after apollo 13

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 11:48 pm

Yeah, spending billions so
the elite can play in the sand,
take pretty pictures and bring
back bags of rocks doesn't make
a lot of sense.

YES, the Space Race spurred alot
of technology, but we haven't
needed it for that, sine the 70's.

Some years ago, a famous story,
Buzz Aldrin was asked about faking
the moon landing by a reporter and
Buzz punched him in the face ... HA!

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Report this Dec. 04 2010, 5:05 am

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 03 2010, 11:48 pm

Some years ago, a famous story, Buzz Aldrin was asked about faking the moon landing by a reporter and Buzz punched him in the face ... HA!


I don't think it was a reporter. There was someone else who came up while Buzz was giving an interview, said it was fake, and got punched.

Of course we landed on the moon. Our Gov't couldn't fake something like that and keep it secret all these years.

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Report this Dec. 04 2010, 6:31 am

I cant be lieve that anyone would vote that the moon landing was faked. The whole idea that it was faked is what I like to call a special kind of stupid! Its like saying the christopher colombus voyage was faked.

This is just another way for folks to try and and make themselves appear like they are cool (It seems that being half inteligent is not cool).

If you voted it was faked, and it your vote wasnt an accident, and are over 5 years old go back to school.


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