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Fans Simply Cannot Betray a TV Show

iBorg13

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Report this Dec. 01 2010, 8:55 pm

I love ENT! In fact, I love all the Star Trek series! Some more than other, but I still love them all.
Just because someone doesn't like ENT doesn't mean that they're any less a Trekkie/er.
Whats really sad is when fans of other shows come onto these boards and put down ENT just because it wasn't their cup of tea.

Camorite

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Report this Dec. 01 2010, 9:19 pm

If a fan decided that they didn't like the show after watching several episodes (more then five per season) from all the seasons, and actually gave the show a chance, then no they didn't betray the show, however if the fan came to the conclution after watching one or two episodes, and decided they were not going to watch anymore for petty reasons, then you had better believe that they betrayed the franchise as they never even gave the show a chance.


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Report this Dec. 01 2010, 9:25 pm

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However, since it's impossible for a fan to betray a TV show, every else is irrelevant.


except that the fans are the ones that generate the ratings, and if a show does not have ratings nine times out of ten the said show is canceled, so it is the so-called hard core fans fault that the show was canceled, at least the ones that didn't give the show the chance that it deserved.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

Camorite

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Report this Dec. 01 2010, 9:28 pm

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> No fan can betray a TV show. If anything, Trek betrayed its fans. No one is obligated to watch a TV program and they have the absolute right to hate a show whether they've watched or not.
Your right, no one is obligated to watch a show, but as a true fan of a franchise we are obligated to at least give the said show a decent chance at success, which was not the case with enterprise, being that the so-called true fans gave up on it for petty reasons.


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

Camorite

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Report this Dec. 01 2010, 9:34 pm

and let me as you this, did you give Enteprise the full benefit of the doubt, or did you give up on it for petty reasons? Oh, and if you are so certain that you are correct then why ask the question in the first place?


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

Camorite

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Report this Dec. 01 2010, 9:42 pm

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>and let me as you this, did you give Enteprise the full benefit of the doubt, or did you give up on it for petty reasons? Oh, and if you are so certain that you are correct then why ask the question in the first place?

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I am certain that the word betrayal simply cannot be a applied to a viewer watching or not watching a television program unless Webster adds a new defintion to the word applicable to fan habits and franchises. I watched enough Enterprise to form an opinion.

well since you pretty much dodged both my questions, i will have to assume that you gave up on the series for petty reasoning, and are therefor one of those that betrayed the very franchise, which also means that you are a hypocrite when it comes to judgeing others who actually gave the series a chance. now if you are not these things, then by all means answer the questions that i asked you, with straight answers.


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 4:49 am

Phoenix, you are correct in saying that no one is obligated to watch a TV show especially if it doesn't appeal to them. However, I do think that what happened with Enterprise was a betrayal of the franchise and is the main reason why we won't see ANY new Trek on TV for many more years to come. Enterprise wasn't that bad (in relation to the other series) it just didn't appeal to the "Trek Geek" community's vision of Trek and Enterprise just didn't appeal to a Trek weary general audience.


Now here is where fans can betray a series and a franchise: The geek community, with the aid of the internet, totally trashed Enterprise. Not just with constructive criticism, but with real nasty vial hate speech. Hate against the characters, hate against the actors, hate against the writers, hate against the producers, hate against the ship and hate against the network. It was day in and day out spewing of hate, much of it taking place right here. Death threats against Berman and Braga and letters to UPN to demanding it be taken off the air. Do not doubt for a minute that this did not have an effect on the decision to take the series (and franchise) off the air. THIS WAS THE BETRAYAL. THIS IS WHY WE WILL ONLY GET PISS POOR KIRK/SPOCK REBOOTS IN THE MOVIES EVERY FOUR YEARS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.


So Phoenix, fans can betray a series and they certainly can betray a franchise.


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Camorite

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 4:50 am

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>Your post is quite angry and not in the spirit of Star Trek. You have not responded to the fact that betrayal is a word not applicable in this instance, so perhaps straight answers are not your forte. If so, I understand. I watched perhaps all but four episodes first run, 94 in all, I believe
the only thing that i am angry about is people calling me angry . but i will point out that it was you that dodged the question that i was asking you, and BTW, i am still waiting on a responce for my second question. Now asuming that you are being truthfull (which there is no way of knowing) then you at least are one of the few that did actually watch the series, and therefore, though i don't agree with it, you have earned the right to gripe about the show.


As for the second posting, i was one of the unfortunate, due to placement of the show on the upn, fans that couldn't watch the show, at least during the first season, but after that i was as loyal to it as to any of the predicessors.


Now you can call me angry if you want, i really don't care since i know the truth, but i feel that this give me all the right to say that the fans betrayed trek, as there were many others that could watch it, but refused to do so.


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 4:53 am

Quote: Middleman @ Dec. 02 2010, 4:49 am

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>Phoenix, you are correct in saying that no one is obligated to watch a TV show especially if it doesn't appeal to them. However, I do think that what happened with Enterprise was a betrayal of the franchise and is the man reason why we won't see ANY new Trek on TV for many more years to come. Enterprise wasn't that bad (in relation to the other series) it just didn't appeal to the "Trek Geek" community's vision of Trek and Enterprise just didn't appeal to a Trek weary general audience.

>Now here is where fans can betray a series and a franchise: The geek community, with the aid of the internet, totally trashed Enterprise. Not just with constructive criticism, but with real nasty vial hate speech. Hate against the characters, hate against the actors, hate against the writers, hate against the producers, hate against the ship and hate against the network. It was day in and day out spewing of hate, much of it taking place right here. Death threats against Berman and Braga and letters to UPN to demanding it be taken off the air. Do not doubt for a minute that this did not have an effect on the decision to take the series (and franchise) off the air. THIS WAS THE BETRAYAL. THIS IS WHY WE WILL ONLY GET PISS POOR KIRK/SPOCK REBOOTS IN THE MOVIES EVERY FOUR YEARS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

>So Phoenix, fans can betray a series and they certainly can betray a franchise.

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AMEN middleman, AMEN. The fans were spoiled by 14 years of continuous trek (TNG, DS9, and Voyager), and acted accordinly like the spoiled rotton BRATS they are. They have no right to call themselves Star Trek fans after this.


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 10:20 am

Quote: Camorite @ Dec. 01 2010, 9:28 pm

but as a true fan of a franchise we are obligated to at least give the said show a decent chance at success,


No one is obligated to anything when they are the fan of a Tv show. The fans gave ENT 12 shows of good ratings, how much longer were they supposed to watch a show they didnt like? a year, 3 years, 5 years? How long do you have to watch a show you dont care for to prove your loyalty to trek?

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 11:15 am

Quote: UNTRugby @ Dec. 02 2010, 10:20 am

Quote: Camorite @ Dec. 01 2010, 9:28 pm

but as a true fan of a franchise we are obligated to at least give the said show a decent chance at success,
No one is obligated to anything when they are the fan of a Tv show. The fans gave ENT 12 shows of good ratings, how much longer were they supposed to watch a show they didnt like? a year, 3 years, 5 years? How long do you have to watch a show you dont care for to prove your loyalty to trek?


you fail to see my point UNT, it has nothing to do with Enterprise, but to the franchise as a whole. it is becuase of the betrayal of Enterprise that we have not seen, or heard of, anything new in the way of a trek series, aside of course from the fan made productions. In other words, by betraying Enterprise it is those fans that, in medical terms, moved trek from stable condition to critical.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 11:48 am

Quote: Camorite @ Dec. 02 2010, 11:15 am

Quote: UNTRugby @ Dec. 02 2010, 10:20 am

Quote: Camorite @ Dec. 01 2010, 9:28 pm

but as a true fan of a franchise we are obligated to at least give the said show a decent chance at success,
No one is obligated to anything when they are the fan of a Tv show. The fans gave ENT 12 shows of good ratings, how much longer were they supposed to watch a show they didnt like? a year, 3 years, 5 years? How long do you have to watch a show you dont care for to prove your loyalty to trek?
you fail to see my point UNT, it has nothing to do with Enterprise, but to the franchise as a whole. it is becuase of the betrayal of Enterprise that we have not seen, or heard of, anything new in the way of a trek series, aside of course from the fan made productions. In other words, by betraying Enterprise it is those fans that, in medical terms, moved trek from stable condition to critical.


thats the shows fault for putting out a product that the mass of fans didnt like its not the fans job to tune in every week to watch a show they dont care for just so it doesnt ruin the future of trek.

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 12:46 pm

thats the shows fault for putting out a product that the mass of fans didnt like its not the fans job to tune in every week to watch a show they dont care for just so it doesnt ruin the future of trek.


I am not trying to discount the fault of the production staff for the show, but in the end it is minimal to the fault of the bulk of the so-called fanbase for abandoning the show for what i veiw as PETTY reasons and flawed logic.


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 2:27 pm

My favorite series of books is the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. Book eight, "naked Empire," bores me to tears, and I often find myself skimming it (if not passing it over altogether) as I read through the series. Does that mean that I've betrayed that series of books? No, of course not. Likewise, a fan of the Star Trek universe who doesn't like one of the series hasn't betrayed Star Trek. They just don't like specific part of it.

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AdmiralArcher33

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 4:05 pm

And thus, the arguement begins again on yet another thread. Seriously, this is not a huge deal people. Ok some people didn't give the show the chance it deserved, and some did. Arguements like this ruin the show for everyone because it shows that there are people who are willing to argue about stupid little details that don't relate to the show at all. The primary reason the show was cancelled was due to the station not having enough money to keep the show running, granted low ratings was a factor but not a huge one!

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