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What are your thoughts about Insurrection?

Porthos2010

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Report this Nov. 12 2010, 5:40 pm

I quite like it. I always thought it was one of the stronger movies in the franchise.


I always find it quite amusing when people complain about Trek 09 not being as cerebral as Star Trek "always was before", and yet they don't like this movie, which is one of the more cerebral movies in the series.

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Report this Nov. 12 2010, 5:49 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 12 2010, 7:34 am

The bottom line is this: Insurrection had no drama. It had nothing to care about. There was nothing in the script that created any kind of genuine emotion or tension. It was just "there." It was literally (as cliche as it sounds) about as good as a mediocre 1-hour episode from Season 6 or 7. When a major Hollywood production falls flat in almost every category when compared to the majority of TNG's 2-hour episodes (and most of the 1-hour episodes), there's a significant problem. I view INS as a microcosm of all the little things about TNG that annoyed me (and I LOVED TNG): Data being cute Little kids Cheesy humor Preachy, self-righteous speeches from Picard When you heap that on top of "A British Tar," the mambo, Worf's pimples, a tolken and meaningless space battle (literally, a space battle for the sake of having a space battle), and a villian that is absolutely forgettable, you have a very weak and unsatisfying Star Trek motion picture. I don't hate INS. As a matter of fact, I saw it 4 times in the theater (including opening night) and I own in on both Blu Ray and DVD. But, it is by far the weakest of the Star Trek films in my book.


Vger, you summed up all my feelings regarding INS better than I could've. I feel the same way. I totally agree with you. IMO, a ST film should be bigger and better than most of the episodes. In that regard, INS and yeah, even TFF, totally fail. Both those films (as well as NEM and GEN), just left me feeling dissapointed and let down as I left the movie theater, thinking to myself,"That just wasn't good."

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Vger23

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Report this Nov. 14 2010, 5:19 pm

Quote: Porthos2010 @ Nov. 12 2010, 5:40 pm

I quite like it. I always thought it was one of the stronger movies in the franchise.

I always find it quite amusing when people complain about Trek 09 not being as cerebral as Star Trek "always was before", and yet they don't like this movie, which is one of the more cerebral movies in the series.



Not liking INS for me has nothing to do with it being "cerebral" or not. In fact, the "cerebral" Trek is hit-or-miss in terms of it's effectiveness at being entertaining.

It simply is not an entertaining or dramatic movie for my tastes.

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Vger23

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Report this Nov. 14 2010, 5:20 pm

Quote: lostshaker @ Nov. 12 2010, 10:33 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 12 2010, 7:34 am

Data being cute Preachy, self-righteous speeches from Picard
Those are some of my favorite elements of TNG, and one of the reasons I think INS is the best of the TNG films.


To each their own.

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Vger23

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Report this Nov. 14 2010, 5:21 pm

Rocketscientist-


 


You KNOW it brother!



Actually, I've become QUITE forgiving of TFF at this stage. I think of it as a huge idea that never saw full realization. At least TFF tried to be something. INS just tried to be "light," and it didn't really even succeed at that.


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silvik123

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Report this Nov. 14 2010, 5:43 pm

I actually enjoy Insurrection. There should have been less scenes on the planet for ones on the ship in outer space. And that scene when Anij and Picard is walking together is toooo long ( nice time to nap ). I think they had a good villain (better than the other TNG movies) they just needed to work with the story a little more.

Vger23

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Report this Nov. 14 2010, 7:11 pm

Quote: silvik123 @ Nov. 14 2010, 5:43 pm

I actually enjoy Insurrection. There should have been less scenes on the planet for ones on the ship in outer space. And that scene when Anij and Picard is walking together is toooo long ( nice time to nap ). I think they had a good villain (better than the other TNG movies) they just needed to work with the story a little more.


How could more scenes have taken place in space, though? Everything of relative substance took place on the planet. You could have edited out the useless space battle and it would actually have been a better movie in my opinion.

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Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Nov. 14 2010, 8:46 pm

The movie overall was rather poor. It had a very psycho babble motivation to the bad guys actions, it had the requisite corrupt Admiral (amazing to think that Starfleet command is littered with these guys) and it had the worst ever prop in Star Trek history (the ten dollar joystick).
It did have some nice humor, and it was nice to see some idealistic action from the Enterprise crew.

Oh, and for all the Bond fans out there, Anthony Zerbe (who played the dirty Admiral) was in the 1989 Bond "License to Kill" where also got his face ripped in half. Weird huh?

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JazzTNG

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Report this Nov. 17 2010, 10:58 am

Personally, I think Insurrection has a seamless and series-best mixture of excitement, laughs, and thoughtfulness.

It's the perfect follow-up to the dark and heavy First Contact, it's expertly put together by Frakes, it has a lot of cool action pieces, you got to love the themes of individual determination and less big brother control, and Patrick Stewart is absolutely wonderful in the film as is F. Murray Abraham who is the best the best Trek villain since Richardo Montalban. Big fan, right here.

Insurrection is probably my favorite Trek film after the excellent First Contact.

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Matthias Russell

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Report this Nov. 17 2010, 11:22 am

I didn't find the villain that memorable. I find the motive and connection memorable but not the character or his presentation. Same as Soran (I think) from generations. The borg queen and shinzon were much better performances and individually memorable.

JazzTNG

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Report this Nov. 17 2010, 11:32 am

I thought Hardy was terrible in Nemesis - really terrible overacting. F. Murray Abraham, however, was very intense.

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