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Why does Riker wait 14 years to take command?

Thommy

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Report this Nov. 07 2010, 6:16 pm

He is offered his first command in The Icarus Factor but turns it down to remain as First Officer on the Enterprise.  Originally, he is highly motivated and wants nothing more than to advance as quickly as possible to have a command of his own.  Until he arrives on the Enterprise.  After that he just stays at First Officer until 14 years later when he takes command of the Titan.  Why?


In the history of Star Fleet has there been a first officer that's taken 14 years to advance from Commander to Captain?  And also for someone who was thought to be the best first officer in the fleet it seems like a long time for someone who wants it pretty bad.    

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Report this Nov. 07 2010, 6:21 pm

he loved being on the enterprise and with that crew

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Report this Nov. 07 2010, 6:23 pm

thats why he never moved up rank because he was happy where he was at.

Thommy

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Report this Nov. 07 2010, 6:25 pm

True, but in a military career, advancement is required. Location and familiarity come second and a good career office would have to face that.

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Report this Nov. 07 2010, 6:54 pm

Quote: Thommy @ Nov. 07 2010, 6:16 pm

In the history of Star Fleet has there been a first officer that's taken 14 years to advance from Commander to Captain?


Im sure there is, it took tuvok like 25 years to go from ensign to Lt cmdr

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Report this Nov. 07 2010, 7:18 pm

Riker wanted the Enterprise. Why bother with anything else when you're on the best ship in the Fleet? The Titan was bogus.

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Report this Nov. 08 2010, 11:54 am

Quote: lostshaker @ Nov. 07 2010, 7:18 pm

>Riker wanted the Enterprise. Why bother with anything else when you're on the best ship in the Fleet? The Titan was bogus.


Ditto! The Enterprise was the flagship of the whole of Starfleet. In addition, Riker had the trust, loyalty, respect, and friendship of his crew mates onboard. He had a reputation. He could enjoy the power of command without having to be totally in charge of everything and everyone. In any case, he was comfortable where he was. Why would he give up all of that to be captain of some dinky little ship, and have to start all over again? It just was not worth it.


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Report this Nov. 08 2010, 12:03 pm

Quote: lostshaker @ Nov. 07 2010, 7:18 pm

Riker wanted the Enterprise. Why bother with anything else when you're on the best ship in the Fleet? The Titan was bogus.


It's true. He passed up the Melbourne because "She wasn't the Enterprise."

We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again. -Captain Jean Luc Picard

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Report this Nov. 08 2010, 8:54 pm

I didn't read the other answers, but I think its because he loved the Enterprise crew so much he didn't want to leave. In Star Trek: Generations, when he and Picard are walking around the destroyed bridge of the Enterprise, Riker says he always thought he'd get a shot at the captain's chair. Thats makes me believe he wanted command of the Enterprise rather than any other ship.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 6:50 am

That still makes no sense to me. The first time he was offered a command of his own he should've taken it.

The only thing that makes any sense is that the writers wanted to play off the whole Spock-Kirk relationship where Spock never minded if Kirk took back command of the ship as he did in TWOK.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 7:11 am

Quote: iBorg13 @ Nov. 08 2010, 8:54 pm

I didn't read the other answers, but I think its because he loved the Enterprise crew so much he didn't want to leave. In Star Trek: Generations, when he and Picard are walking around the destroyed bridge of the Enterprise, Riker says he always thought he'd get a shot at the captain's chair. Thats makes me believe he wanted command of the Enterprise rather than any other ship.



He flat out says as much in BoBW.

We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again. -Captain Jean Luc Picard

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 10:09 am

TNG made Riker out to be this
natural leader, studd and "every" man.

So ... why isn't he the captain? Does
he suck in that capacity? What's his
problem? The writers created that
situation, along with the fact that
there was no way Frakes was going to
leave the show. Regularly being offered
his own command AND refusing it, was
their "solution".

Along with his being tight with the crew,
but hanging around his buddies isn't why he's
an officer in STARFLEET. I guess there was no
way the writers could come out of this dilemma
smelling like a rose. The whole thing's stupid.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 11:50 am

Starfleet is not the US military, so hopefully him having to advance is bogus. Starfleet is about exploring and growing. Riker felt he could do that best on the E under Picard's tutelage. In the modern sense, if I were XO on a nuclear carrier and was offered command of a frigate as a choice, I'd turn it down. Riker believed in not aspiring to be a great man, but just being a man.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 8:28 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 09 2010, 11:50 am

>Starfleet is not the US military, so hopefully him having to advance is bogus. Starfleet is about exploring and growing. Riker felt he could do that best on the E under Picard's tutelage. In the modern sense, if I were XO on a nuclear carrier and was offered command of a frigate as a choice, I'd turn it down. Riker believed in not aspiring to be a great man, but just being a man.


Well said, my friend. And I do suspect that advancement in their society would not be required- after all, if everything was built around "bettering oneself", as Picard said in First Contact- I do not see why Riker would be forced to accept the position.


Better yet, it seems obvious that it is not required; otherwise, I doubt they would bother asking Riker what he wanted... would they not simply say "Here are your transfer papers, g'bye Captain and good luck"?


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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 10:12 pm

Good responses. I was going to say he had his eye on the Enterprise and out of loyalty to Picard wanted to wait until the time was right to take over, but in the end he took the Titan. So maybe he moved on from that dream? Of course the real reason is cinematically we need the actor on the Enterprise because he's an original character and his promotion would mean his departure. But still, seems like a long wait for the big chair.  Even Picard said, "What the hell are you waiting for? You're ready."


 


On another note, was Picard ever a First Officer? I consulted the Star Trek encyclopedia and it lists him as a lieutenant, bridge officer when he took command of the Stargazer. I think wikipedia incorrectly lists him as a first officer. If I remember correctly the episode, the Battle, also states lieutenant. So is that right? Picard skipped a rank? That almost makes since because he's constantly testing what the position of a first officer is though out the show and if he had served in that capacity he would already know.

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