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Report this Dec. 11 2010, 2:58 pm

Please, the others were a waste of money. I like the Borg and they should done more with them. Instead they produce Enterprise again a total waste of #$%$#% time and money. I lost interest in that series after the third episode. It stunk. Then they ended it as a fracken STNG holo program. It stuck its down fall was when they went back instead of forward in Star Trek. Now what is imppressive was the last movie, which is not included in the list it would of killed them all. Star Trek is back, minus the Valcan world but who says two Vulcans can't make it right. 


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Report this Dec. 12 2010, 7:46 am

How in the hell do people LIKE Nemisis much less pick it as their fav. I mean no disrespect and I like people who have difering opinions than myself, but really? First Contact is my favorite followed by Generations then INS Nemisis is my least favorite Star trek movie of all time! Now don't get me wrong I do own it on DVD and still watch from time to time because I love the characters, but the movie itself is awful. I don't mean to rant I expected first contact to be at the top of people's lists and I knew INS would be in the bottom two, but I really expected Nemisis to be dead last.

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Report this Dec. 12 2010, 8:44 am

Nemesis is better, by far, in my book when compared to Insurrection.

At least Nemesis was an attempt at SOMETHING. Insurrection was literally an attempt at NOTHING. Literally, the mandate from the studio and the producing executives was "let's tone this thing down a bit, we've been too serious lately."

Insurrection was a watered-down trip to nowhere. Hokey villians, cheesy digital effects, little kid crap, bogus boob and zit jokes, tolken / meaningless space battle, and Picard being his self-righteous worst. At least Nemesis had some genuine drama and suspense. Sure, it had its flaws (like most Trek movies do), but at least it had SOMETHING of interest in it. Insurrection was the most uninteresting, embarassing film of the series. Like you said, I own it and still watch it...but it's admittedly my least favorite Star Trek production over the last 15 years. Dreadful, nerdy, nonsense...it's the kind of stuff that gives Trek a bad name.

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Report this Dec. 12 2010, 8:24 pm

I have very little love for Insurrection. All the points you made are valid and I agree, with the exception that I liked Picard and I felt F. Murray Abraham made a great bad guy, and even if I thought the character was bad he did great playing him. But overall it was a bad movie.


 


I disliked Nemesis because the acting from supporting characters were weak and even from the main characters I felt weren't at their best. I didn't like the Remans. I thought they were annoying and just straight up lame. And the main reason I love TNG is it has such interesting main characters. I'm not sure if TNG is my favorite series, but it is my favorite set of characters and I felt they were barely in the movie much less having anything interesting to add to the story. And the final reason I hated Nemesis is I am a HUGE Data fan and I have no problem with killing him off, but when it happened I wasn’t sad or upset, maybe I was already taken out of the film by then, but by the time that scene happened I just watched it with no emotional reaction. I feel that was a missed opportunity Data was such a loved character if they were going to kill him they could have had Trekkies crying in the streets yet I don't know anyone who got even a little sad at that scene. Maybe it was the whole B4 storyline. I felt B4 was unnecessary and idk kind of like Data didn't really die.


I also think that because I am younger than many diehard fans, when I watched Insurrection I was 11, had only seen a few of the movies and some episodes of TNG and VOY, but I wasn't yet a Trekkie and to an 11 year old non diehard fan things like pimple jokes and "smooth as an android’s bottom" and the joystick made me laugh my ass off, now not so much. When Nemesis came out I had seen almost everything and could now call myself a Trekkie maybe that's why I liked Insurrection more, plus let’s face it you’re going to fail when you make one movie where the heroes save the world and billions of lives from a villain you love and then in the next movie you have them save a couple hundred people you don't care about from villains you don't know. How anyone thought that was smart is beyond me.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 6:24 am

Quote: Lt.Cmdr.Halberstadt @ Dec. 12 2010, 8:24 pm

I have very little love for Insurrection. All the points you made are valid and I agree, with the exception that I liked Picard and I felt F. Murray Abraham made a great bad guy, and even if I thought the character was bad he did great playing him. But overall it was a bad movie.

 

I disliked Nemesis because the acting from supporting characters were weak and even from the main characters I felt weren't at their best. I didn't like the Remans. I thought they were annoying and just straight up lame. And the main reason I love TNG is it has such interesting main characters. I'm not sure if TNG is my favorite series, but it is my favorite set of characters and I felt they were barely in the movie much less having anything interesting to add to the story. And the final reason I hated Nemesis is I am a HUGE Data fan and I have no problem with killing him off, but when it happened I wasn’t sad or upset, maybe I was already taken out of the film by then, but by the time that scene happened I just watched it with no emotional reaction. I feel that was a missed opportunity Data was such a loved character if they were going to kill him they could have had Trekkies crying in the streets yet I don't know anyone who got even a little sad at that scene. Maybe it was the whole B4 storyline. I felt B4 was unnecessary and idk kind of like Data didn't really die.

I also think that because I am younger than many diehard fans, when I watched Insurrection I was 11, had only seen a few of the movies and some episodes of TNG and VOY, but I wasn't yet a Trekkie and to an 11 year old non diehard fan things like pimple jokes and "smooth as an android’s bottom" and the joystick made me laugh my ass off, now not so much. When Nemesis came out I had seen almost everything and could now call myself a Trekkie maybe that's why I liked Insurrection more, plus let’s face it you’re going to fail when you make one movie where the heroes save the world and billions of lives from a villain you love and then in the next movie you have them save a couple hundred people you don't care about from villains you don't know. How anyone thought that was smart is beyond me.



That's all well and good, but I'm never disliking a movie because a favorite character was killed, particularly Data, who I never really cared for (respectfully).

Like I said, Nemesis was laden with flaws, no doubt...but at least it had DRAMA and attempted to be bold and intersting. Insurrection was a limp, wet noodle with no drama or tension of any kind, and seemed to rely on silliness and feeble attempts at humor. I actually felt the character stuff in Nemesis was MUCH more rich than anything in the other films. In Nemesis, you had Picard facing his "core make-up," Data evolving to the point where sacrifice is his ultimate achievement of understanding humanity, Riker and Troi getting married, etc. In Insurrection, you have Worf getting a pimple, Troi's boobs getting more firm, and Picard dancing a mambo.

I'll take Nemesis every day over Insurrection. Even with Insurrection's Pink Space Bazooka...it still was weak.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 6:31 am

Quote: Sora @ Nov. 07 2010, 10:56 am

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Nov. 04 2010, 11:10 pm

First Contact. By far the best, even though the TNG Films were generally awful.
What makes you say that? Several factors. Story: Other than FC there is no story in any of the TNG films that is well thought out or developed. Even though Nemesis had a great idea it quickly goes off the rails with its Picard clone villian. Characters. While the TOS movies did a good job of continuing to develop its characters, no character other than Data was given any opportunity to grow. Villians: again other than the Borg there was no villian that even came close to actually being plausible. The Sonaa were a bunch of plastic surgery obsesses brats, Shinzon just seemed implausible, and etc, etc. TNG is one of my favorite series, but their movies really fell flat. I always loved the TNG films. I find all 4 of them to be very enjoyable.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 6:44 am

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Dec. 13 2010, 6:31 am

Quote: Sora @ Nov. 07 2010, 10:56 am

Quote: Lieutenant_Jedi @ Nov. 04 2010, 11:10 pm

First Contact. By far the best, even though the TNG Films were generally awful.
What makes you say that? Several factors. Story: Other than FC there is no story in any of the TNG films that is well thought out or developed. Even though Nemesis had a great idea it quickly goes off the rails with its Picard clone villian. Characters. While the TOS movies did a good job of continuing to develop its characters, no character other than Data was given any opportunity to grow. Villians: again other than the Borg there was no villian that even came close to actually being plausible. The Sonaa were a bunch of plastic surgery obsesses brats, Shinzon just seemed implausible, and etc, etc. TNG is one of my favorite series, but their movies really fell flat. I always loved the TNG films. I find all 4 of them to be very enjoyable.


There are several elements that contribute to the TNG movie's lack of comparitive quality:

1. Major motion pictures written and produced by the same people who did the televison series. They were never able to "scale" it up, and there were no fresh ideas. NEM was the only film that really FELT epic, but it was too little too late (and too flawed) to make an impact.

2. Too many fingers in the pie. You had Stewart lobbying for Picard story lines. You had Spiner lobbying for Data singing scenes. The studio painted the producers into corners in many of the films, etc. etc.

3. Writers and directors generally failed at striking the balance between "making it for the fans" and "making it for the general audiences." FC was considered the best because it was the only film that succeeded at this balance properly.

4. Continuously weak budgets. They were trying to make sci-fi blockbusters in the 90's with 1980's budgets.

5. I know some people hate to hear it, but "franchise fatigue" was definitely a factor. Treks I-IV were the ONLY way to satisfy the Trek appetite. By the time INS came out, TNG was in movies and DS9 / VOY were readily available on televison. "Too much of ANYTHING, Lieutennant, even love, is not necessarily a good thing!"

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 9:10 am

First Contact! It's the only one that features Dixon Hill.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 9:12 am

Agreed. Still jealous about that Dixon hill avatar.

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Report this Dec. 13 2010, 10:12 am

My favorite TNG film is INSURRECTION.

1. INSURRECTION
2. NEMESIS
3. GENERATIONS
4. FIRST CONTACT

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Report this Dec. 22 2010, 3:11 pm

First Contact

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Report this Dec. 25 2010, 9:58 am

First Contact was the best IMO.

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