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Its time to move into the 25th century

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UNTRugby

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:13 am

The new movies had the be set in the 23rd century because there was no other viable option but a new series should be set in the future so it wont be limited to only a certain amount of stories and technology

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:27 am

The only limits on "stories" and "technology" are in the imaginations of the writers, not in the time period the show is plotted in.

I really don't care WHERE or WHEN the new series is set. It doesn't matter one bit to me. All I care about is that it is fresh, character-focused, fun, non-preachy, and relevant to the times. Since my criteria can be met in the 23rd, 24th, or 74th centuries...I just don't care.

Given the choice, I'd RATER it be late 23rd. That's when exploring the galaxy seemed the most fun. TOS was like a western combined with Captain Hornblower. It was pioneering and there was a true sense of adventure and wonder. In the 24th century, it wasn't as much fun. Exploring the galaxy was kind of like going to the corner store for groceries. It was more bureaucratic and diplomatic than it was "boldly going," and a majority of the missions seemed like "run of the mill" stuff.

For my personal tastes, I'd rather not be "going to the grocery store" every week.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:30 am

OK, it's the 25th Century - so how come
an alien can still hide in the Enterprise
and go on, undetected?

-Why are the principals of the show catching
the Common Cold, some of the time? And why
isn't their medicine so much more advanced?

-Why is one of the extras getting fat and/or bald?

-Why do all the aliens, planets and civilizations
look like they did on the 24th Century shows?

It'll just go on and on. You can't have it so far in
the future, because it makes certain stories impossible.
Keeping it in the 23rd century already stretches credibility.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:32 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 03 2010, 11:27 am

The only limits on "stories" and "technology" are in the imaginations of the writers, not in the time period the show is plotted in.


If you totally ignore canon it wouldnt have limit but then why even bother calling it star trek. A 23rd century show is locked into a war with klingons, little contact with romulans. No cardassians or borg. Stuck with slow ships all in the alpha quadrant and communicators less advanced than modern cell phones.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:34 am

Quote: UNTRugby @ Nov. 03 2010, 11:13 am

The new movies had the be set in the 23rd century because there was no other viable option but a new series should be set in the future so it wont be limited to only a certain amount of stories and technology



I totally agree with you, a series should be placed in the future, I don't think a new series of Spock and Kirk would be good. They would probably repeate many of the events that have already happened,even if it is presented in different way, it would still seem like deja vue, and I'd like to see something new.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:45 am

Quote: UNTRugby @ Nov. 03 2010, 11:32 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 03 2010, 11:27 am

The only limits on "stories" and "technology" are in the imaginations of the writers, not in the time period the show is plotted in.
If you totally ignore canon it wouldnt have limit but then why even bother calling it star trek. A 23rd century show is locked into a war with klingons, little contact with romulans. No cardassians or borg. Stuck with slow ships all in the alpha quadrant and communicators less advanced than modern cell phones.


Right,

And THOSE elements are what made Trek better, in my opinion.

If exploring the galaxy is like driving to New Jersey...it's really not that interesting to me. If all I need to do is push a button and I can warp anywhere in days or talk to someone "real time," where's the mystery? Where's the pioneering spirit? The "better technology" of the 24th century made intergalactic travel commonplace and almost mundane.

Star Trek isn't driven by "canon." It's driven by characters and stories. "Canon" is a by-product of a long-running series. It is NOT a monster to be fed or serviced. If "canon" is what you value over entertainment, then I can see where you're coming from. I don't AGREE with it, but I can understand it. To me, "canon" limits creativity (exaclty what happened to Trek in the late 90's). Having super-technology limits creativity, because now TECHNOLOGY is solving problems, NOT people.

If you read any of Gene's "writer's bibles" from Trek, TNG, or the never-created Phase 2, he stressed this time and time again. In early Trek, technology was there to make storytelling easier. The technology served the storytelling, not vice-versa.

If Trek is going to go the road of being about technology, technobabble, adhering to the history and rules of the fictional universe, etc...I'm not going to be interested. Those things are MINOR things when compared with the importance of fascinating weekly stories, relatable and intersting characters, and fun / adventure...JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ENTERTAINING AND QUALITY TELEVISON SERIES.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:46 am

>>-Why are the principals of the show catching the Common Cold, some of the time? And why isn't their medicine so much more advanced?


the common cold will never have a cure because it becomes resistant to antibiotics and continues to mutate. The medicine is very advanced in the TNG era hardly any every gets sick or has injries for more than an hour


>>-Why is one of the extras getting fat and/or bald?


stop hiring fat and bald actors, guess that would mean no more frakes


>>-Why do all the aliens, planets and civilizations look like they did on the 24th Century shows?


that was budgetary and lack of cgi. How many of the civilizations in ENT look like similar.


>>Keeping it in the 23rd century already stretches credibility.


The only way to really lose credibility is to keep using the lame technology which has already been surpassed by modern inventions

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:51 am

"The only way to really lose credibility is to keep using the lame technology which has already been surpassed by modern inventions"

The only way to lose credibility is to tell $hitty, dull, cliched stories that are more about gadgets and heavy-handed preaching than about people and adventure.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 11:53 am



>>If exploring the galaxy is like driving to New Jersey...it's really not that interesting to me. If all I need to do is push a button and I can warp anywhere in days or talk to someone "real time," where's the mystery? Where's the pioneering spirit? The "better technology" of the 24th century made intergalactic travel commonplace and almost mundane.

good thing theres about 200 billion other galaxies out there and intergalactic story line would be interesting

>>Having super-technology limits creativity, because now TECHNOLOGY is solving problems, NOT people.

Thats where lazy and unimaginative writers come in. If you create a story that has to be solved by technology its not any good to begin with. Go look at a lot of 80s movies and see how many of their story lines would be irrelevant by cell phones then you realize they wernt very good movies.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 12:11 pm

Quote: UNTRugby @ Nov. 03 2010, 11:53 am

>>If exploring the galaxy is like driving to New Jersey...it's really not that interesting to me. If all I need to do is push a button and I can warp anywhere in days or talk to someone "real time," where's the mystery? Where's the pioneering spirit? The "better technology" of the 24th century made intergalactic travel commonplace and almost mundane. good thing theres about 200 billion other galaxies out there and intergalactic story line would be interesting >>Having super-technology limits creativity, because now TECHNOLOGY is solving problems, NOT people. Thats where lazy and unimaginative writers come in. If you create a story that has to be solved by technology its not any good to begin with. Go look at a lot of 80s movies and see how many of their story lines would be irrelevant by cell phones then you realize they wernt very good movies.


Why do you need to explore multiple galaxies when there are more stars in just the ALPHA QUADRENT alone than you could explore in many lifetimes? That makes no sense and is mega-scaling for no reason whatsoever.

Why are movies that don't contain cell phones "bad movies?" Is Citizen Cane a "bad movie" because there's no internet in it? Is "2001-A Space Odyssey" a bad movie because some of the technology featured therein is outdated?

It's clear your values do not necessarily match up with mine. Hey, it's not a big deal. It happens.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 12:38 pm

>>Why are movies that don't contain cell phones "bad movies?" Is Citizen Cane a "bad movie" because there's no internet in it? Is "2001-A Space Odyssey" a bad movie because some of the technology featured therein is outdated?


I didnt say movies without cellphones were bad im saying movies that have plots that would be completely ruined by cell phones or the internet are bad and not just any movie but more recent movies. One example would be seinfeld its still pretty funny becuase of the great actors but a lot of their plots wouldnt work if cell phones or the internet had been around and it becomes very hard to watch once you realize that.

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 12:53 pm

either way.


We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again. -Captain Jean Luc Picard

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Report this Nov. 03 2010, 3:00 pm

Yeah, deffinatley. I think it's time for a change.

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Report this Nov. 04 2010, 11:40 am

25th Century definitely, there's a lot of things left unresolved at the end of the TNG era. That, and we don't need yet another prequel.

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