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TheAmazingFerengi

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 8:12 am

I'm in the middle of Seize the Fire, but I'm really loving the idea. It's great finding out more about the Gorn and the Breen. I hope we can get the same for the Tholians, but I'm finding that unlikely after reading what each book is going to be about! It's also interesting to see some feedback from the authors on this thread!

I really enjoyed Zero Sum Game, it's good to see ol' Bashir doing something again. It was a great story and a quick read. Seize The Fire is very good as well, the only problem I have with the Titan novels is that I can't keep all the characters straight. There's too many odd named aliens that all sort of blend together for me. It would help if I really had a good visual as to what all these different species looked like...But aside from that the book is a great read and very interesting. Looking forward to Rough Beasts of Empire!

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 9:35 am

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>Well thank you for the explanation. I appreciate having the writers contribute because it clears up misunderstanding and helps us to understand your intentions.

I'm always happy to speak with readers.

 

Though I still disagree that Sisko wouldn't leave his wife and child, you have given me much to think about Mr George.

Under normal circumstances, I completely agree. Ben loves Kasidy and Rebecca, and I would aver that they (and Jake) are the most important things in his life. But the circumstances in which he finds himself are anything but normal. He has been warned by entities that know the future that if he spends his life with Kasidy, he will know nothing but sorrow, and now all manner of sorrows have begun to suffuse his life. More than that, he becomes convinced that if he remains with Kasidy, something very bad will happen to her and to Rebecca. He doesn't leave because he wants to, but because he wants to keep them safe.

 

Also, please call me David.

 

 

Abandoning Cassidy at the end of season 6 is an excellent point and something I hadn't considered and must now. However, he wasn't married with a child then, which is a key difference. Family is a central core value to Sisko.

One of the things that is interesting to me is that viewers and readers often forget certain aspects or actions of their favorite characters. It's an easy thing to do, really, and people even manage it in their everyday lives with the people they know. A reader recently wrote that they wished the Deep Space Nine characters were all back together again, and that they hated how the novels that continue the DSN saga forward have broken them all up. They apparently forgot that by the end of the series, Jadzia had died, Sisko had disappeared and apparently ascended to the Celestial Temple, Odo had gone back to the Great Link, Worf had left the station to become the Federation ambassador to the Klingon Empire, O'Brien and his family had returned to Earth, Garak had remained on Cardassia, Dukat and Winn had died...in other words, the novels didn't break up the characters; the show itself did. And in that regard, the series also demonstrated that Sisko believed in the Prophets and what they told him, and that he would do virtually anything--anything!--to save his family.

 

Though he is a tormented and complex character, and no doubt needed time alone to pull himself together, total abandonment seems the antithesis of his overall presentation and destroys the hope of return the series ended with.

The way I see it, he didn't abandon them; he saved them. In truth, the former happened to enable the latter. Also, I would suggest, as Spock said, that there are always...possibilities.

 

That said, I respect your presentation far more now and hope not to have caused personal offense.

I genuinely have no problem with a reader disliking my work; this is all subjective. I don't care to have my motives questioned, but I also have a thick skin.

 

The Romulan politics and assassinations were well done along with the needed development of the Tzenkethi, who I hope get more stories. You excelled in those chapters and have a pleasant to read writing style. I will grant that people change after traumatic events in ways you don't expect and hope we can discuss the nature of Sisko further as writers and readers. I would love to hear Mr George convince me further on his Sisko approach and admiration of the character. I hope Mr George will also post his earlier comment on amazon.com and have a constructive interchange with us here as David Mack has, which I believe encourages readership.

Thanks for the kind words.

 

As far as Sisko goes, I don't need to convince you; my novel should have done that, and clearly it didn't. I may have failed in my job as a writer, or perhaps you brought enough expectations to the work that you couldn't overcome them. But as I see it, having a story with Sisko spending his time happy at home on Bajor would be, frankly, boring. Returning him to the captaincy of Deep Space 9 would be forced and unfulfilling. We learn about characters when they must deal with trials, and surely Sisko did so in Rough Beasts. He gave up what he loved most in order to protect what he loves most. And of course, his story isn't yet over.

 

The thought just occurred to me, we tend also to be overprotective of our favorite characters. Sisko was my favorite and most relatable captain and we all get upset when our heroes let us down.


And I would ask this: did Sisko really let you down? Would you have preferred that he stayed with Kasidy, and that she and Rebecca were then killed. I think what Sisko did was heroic: he did not what he wanted, but what he felt he had to do, despite that it was incredibly painful for him.


Regards, David

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 9:40 am

I found that true of Titan also but I don't mind getting lost in the names because I love the diversity of the crew. I think the Titan crew is closest to what you would expect from an organization like Starfleet.

One of the things I love about crossovers is that it gets readers to check out a series they wouldn't otherwise. I wish this series had more interconnection, though. That, and if only the Redeemers or New Thalonian Empire would have joined the pact so we could have a book 5.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 9:48 am

I'm on page 232 now. So far I am reading Sisko wondering and thinking about the Prophets and their prophecy if he married Kassidy. Is Sisko is making it a self fulfilling prophecy or not is one thing. But look on page 169 where Sisko is talking to Kira. He states his feelings about the Prophets. ( I'm trying to not put any spoilers here so that's why I'm being a bit vauge here.  It would be easier if we could change font color, but anyhoo )


 


I'm still reading so I am not going to try and guess what happens next.  But this is just my thoughts on the book so far.


 


And a huge welcome to Mr. Geroge!  It's so great that the writers come here and interact with us readers   Too cool!!


 


Peace!


R.I.P. My sweet Casey Bug. Mommy will see you again one day :`o( 18DEC01-24SEP11 / "Don't try to win over the haters. You're not the jackass whisperer."~Scott Stratten /It's a lot like nuts and bolts-if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts! ~Nicholas Evans /IDIC-Infinite Diversity Infinite Combination/Sgt Esterhaus: Hey, let's be careful out there!/4000/ To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 9:56 am

Wow, excellent and convincing counterpoints . . . uh . . . David. I understand your approach now and can understand Sisko's actions as not necessarily an act of cowardice but a painful act of sacrifice to protect ones he loved and himself from more loss. I can also empathize with him now. I completely misjudged your intent. I will have to try to append my amazon review.

BTW, I don't think I can call you David. There are too many Davids in Trek novelization I enjoy speaking about. It can get kind of confusing, lol. Maybe it is a good thing Peter David didn't contribute to the series.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 10:03 am

Quote: CO_Fowler @ Jan. 19 2011, 9:48 am

>I'm on page 232 now. So far I am reading Sisko wondering and thinking about the Prophets and their prophecy if he married Kassidy. Is Sisko is making it a self fulfilling prophecy or not is one thing. But look on page 169 where Sisko is talking to Kira. He states his feelings about the Prophets. ( I'm trying to not put any spoilers here so that's why I'm being a bit vauge here. 


I put the spoiler alert in the title so, please, speak freely. I thought the Kira/Sisko conversation was one of the most powerful scenes in the book. I thought it was an excellent exchange between the faithful and the doubter. It reminded me of speaking to a Vietnam veteran friend of mine about how he and his brother came out of the war as different men.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 10:55 am

Thank you for you responses Mr. George (David) It is insightful to hear the author's take on his creation. Of course you are working with previously established Characters, who have a large back story. But as far as I am concerned his (Sisko's) actions fit nicely with his rather troubled character.
Two questions: 1) Why kill of Sisko's father? I know he was getting a little long in the tooth, but he seemed to die suddenly and with little opportunity to send off his character properly (you know with the death bed speech).
2) How did you choose which faction of the Romulan Empire would win? What made you feel Tal' Aura was more skilled politically than Donatra?

"Can you detect midi - chlorians with a tricorder?"

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 11:06 am

I figured Sisko's father died because the actor did. I liked the way the death was written. Sisko comes home expecting to see his dad in improving health only to be told by someone that he barely knows that his father has died. He built you up for a shock and that shock added to Sisko's level of tragedy that broke him.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 11:29 am

Oh, I have one last question. Any chance in getting a few more Davids at Tampa Vulcon next month? The proximity and timing is perfect for seeing one of the last shuttle launches. Busch Gardens for the family. And there is a shop nearby that has the best cupcakes you will have in your life!

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 11:51 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Jan. 19 2011, 10:03 am

Quote: CO_Fowler @ Jan. 19 2011, 9:48 am

>I'm on page 232 now. So far I am reading Sisko wondering and thinking about the Prophets and their prophecy if he married Kassidy. Is Sisko is making it a self fulfilling prophecy or not is one thing. But look on page 169 where Sisko is talking to Kira. He states his feelings about the Prophets. ( I'm trying to not put any spoilers here so that's why I'm being a bit vauge here. 
I put the spoiler alert in the title so, please, speak freely. I thought the Kira/Sisko conversation was one of the most powerful scenes in the book. I thought it was an excellent exchange between the faithful and the doubter. It reminded me of speaking to a Vietnam veteran friend of mine about how he and his brother came out of the war as different men.


So noted ^_^ Anyhoo, I'll try and post more after I get back from the hospital. I will add this that in my opinion having Sisko's dad die like he did would just add to Sisko's already crisis of faith in the Prophets. It would seem to be yet another thing that fulfills the Prophets Prophecy about Sisko if he married Kas.

Anyhoo, I'll report more as I read more

R.I.P. My sweet Casey Bug. Mommy will see you again one day :`o( 18DEC01-24SEP11 / "Don't try to win over the haters. You're not the jackass whisperer."~Scott Stratten /It's a lot like nuts and bolts-if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts! ~Nicholas Evans /IDIC-Infinite Diversity Infinite Combination/Sgt Esterhaus: Hey, let's be careful out there!/4000/ To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 1:52 pm

Hospital? Everything okay Fowler? You and Roboto both are having a rough day.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 7:34 pm

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Hospital? Everything okay Fowler? You and Roboto both are having a rough day.


My dad had a stent put in an artery in his leg then ended up back in the hospital with an infection. He's 91 and thinks he should be able to bounce back like my 23 year old. But at least he's in the hospital and getting better ^_^

R.I.P. My sweet Casey Bug. Mommy will see you again one day :`o( 18DEC01-24SEP11 / "Don't try to win over the haters. You're not the jackass whisperer."~Scott Stratten /It's a lot like nuts and bolts-if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts! ~Nicholas Evans /IDIC-Infinite Diversity Infinite Combination/Sgt Esterhaus: Hey, let's be careful out there!/4000/ To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone

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Report this Jan. 20 2011, 4:10 am

Quote: CO_Fowler @ Jan. 19 2011, 7:34 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Jan. 19 2011, 1:52 pm

Hospital? Everything okay Fowler? You and Roboto both are having a rough day.
My dad had a stent put in an artery in his leg then ended up back in the hospital with an infection. He's 91 and thinks he should be able to bounce back like my 23 year old. But at least he's in the hospital and getting better ^_^


Glad to hear he's getting better. My best to your family.

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Report this Jan. 20 2011, 9:31 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Jan. 20 2011, 4:10 am

Quote: CO_Fowler @ Jan. 19 2011, 7:34 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Jan. 19 2011, 1:52 pm

Hospital? Everything okay Fowler? You and Roboto both are having a rough day.
My dad had a stent put in an artery in his leg then ended up back in the hospital with an infection. He's 91 and thinks he should be able to bounce back like my 23 year old. But at least he's in the hospital and getting better ^_^
Glad to hear he's getting better. My best to your family.


Thanks ^_^

R.I.P. My sweet Casey Bug. Mommy will see you again one day :`o( 18DEC01-24SEP11 / "Don't try to win over the haters. You're not the jackass whisperer."~Scott Stratten /It's a lot like nuts and bolts-if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts! ~Nicholas Evans /IDIC-Infinite Diversity Infinite Combination/Sgt Esterhaus: Hey, let's be careful out there!/4000/ To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone

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Report this Jan. 21 2011, 12:51 pm

So far I'm enjoying Typhon Pact Book 2. The Gorn stuff is more interesting than I thought it would be. This is a really good Titan novel. Titan novels are better when there is a huge problem to deal with. Not some crazy "we're by ourselves crazy problem we need to deal with by ourselves" wacky adventure.

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