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Typhon Pact

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 02 2011, 9:38 am

Granted, what he did can be undone but not without permanent damage between Sisko and his family, but not in the next book as these books seem to be fairly independent. I understand this is fiction and authors can do as they will, same as the show writers, but you don't mess with a character's core values. I published my review on Amazon (as I recommend you do, Jedi) and one reader responded, "Ezri should get her Slipstreamed butt over to Sisko's ship and kick him in the warp coils as fast as possible." LOL

Excellent review Jedi. I too appreciated bringing Sela back into the story. Though I am not big on Trek political stories, George wore an intriguing tale filled with a lot of manipulation and twists. Though I mourn for Donatra, her end was inevitable and well handled. And though I fell Spock wasn't used enough, his decision to go underground again despite still being legal was the type of insightful forethought you expect from him. BTW, can you post any info you remember about that final Typhon Pact race from the IKS series?

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Report this Jan. 02 2011, 9:13 pm

Wow, I'm behind as I still haven't read the 2nd book. (I'm working on the Vanguard series)

I really hope that the Typhon Pact series starts a spark for the non canon ST Universe, and the ST Book series.

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Report this Jan. 04 2011, 2:15 pm

Well CBH I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the Typhon Pact novels, and I think I will check out the Vanguard series.

To MR, as far as I remember from the show Sisko's core values were often in flux. He struggled to handle his staggering responsibilities and also was quite ambivalent about taking Kas as a wife, and starting a family with her. He knew that it would be difficult, and that life would be hard, and in this book I think the hardships just broke him. Just like when Benny was in the mental institution (the pah -wraith vision) he has to struggle to be who he wants to be, and not who the Prophets think he should be. This book is another wrinkle in his inner struggle, one that is looking up at the end of the book when he engages his XO in conversation for the first time.

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Report this Jan. 14 2011, 10:11 am

I finally made it to the bookstore and they only had one Star Trek book.....ST Typhon Pact: Rough Beast of Empire.

Ah well. I'm always getting a middle book first and sometimes finding the others years later. Anyhoo, looks like my first Typhon Pact book will be this one. I'll let you all know what I think of it when I finish it

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Report this Jan. 14 2011, 11:40 am

I look forward to it 


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 14 2011, 12:05 pm

Finally, Fowler. No worries, they don't need to go in order, there is no flow. Book 3 would actually be better before 1.

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 12:19 pm

I've read all the Vanguard to date and I have to say that I like them all. The tie-ins ( and mentions ) of other TOS episodes is nicely done, in my opinion. I've enjoyed reading the books in that series

R.I.P. My sweet Casey Bug. Mommy will see you again one day :`o( 18DEC01-24SEP11 / "Don't try to win over the haters. You're not the jackass whisperer."~Scott Stratten /It's a lot like nuts and bolts-if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts! ~Nicholas Evans /IDIC-Infinite Diversity Infinite Combination/Sgt Esterhaus: Hey, let's be careful out there!/4000/ To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 7:21 pm

I'm still reading Zero Sum Game, but the Romulan-Breen coordination was interesting. At least one cloaked Romulan ship--and Romulans usually fly in groups of three or more--was flying ahead of a Breen patrol-ship (a frigate), to keep it from flying into an ambush. Captain Dax, of the Aventine, appreciated that tactic.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 15 2011, 7:48 pm

I did too. Love Dax in the center chair.

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Report this Jan. 17 2011, 4:49 pm

Loving them so far, and still looking for "Rough Beasts Of Empire". Finding out more about the Gorn and Breen has been great, and I'm wondering what more could be revealed about the Romulans.

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Report this Jan. 17 2011, 6:48 pm

Great! Spread the word, the Relaunch novels are the only new stories in the Prime universe that will be told for the foreseeable future.

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Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 17 2011, 6:53 pm

If you like Romulan politics and social structure, you will love book 3. I was glad for book 2 providing insight into the Gorn and I hope next week book 4 is as good as book 1. Tholians, alright.

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Report this Jan. 18 2011, 11:54 pm

Thanks to everybody for your comments on Rough Beasts of Empire.


 


To those who believe that Sisko acted out of character, or that he betrayed his values, I absolutely argue the reverse. In the television series itself, Sisko was told by the Prophets that he should not marry Kasidy, that if he spent his life with her, he would know nothing but sorrow. Now, recognize that this is not a prophecy; the Prophets were not predicting what would happen, but reporting it. They live nonlinearly through time, and so know the past and present and future.


 


Sisko married Kasidy despite the warning from the Prophets. And eventually, bad things started to happen. Two close friends died in a house fire. His daughter was kidnapped. A close friend suffered a catastrophic brain injury. His father died. And all of this occurred in a relatively short amount of time. Sisko came to believe--correctly or incorrectly--that the sorrow of which the Prophets warned him had finally come to pass. And he also came to realize that if he did nothing to combat it, he would eventually suffer his greatest possible sorrow: something terrible happening to Kasidy and Rebecca. Thus, in order to safeguard the lives of those he loves most, and in a horribly saddened state, Sisko did what he thought he must by leaving them. He did not want to do so, and he still loves them. But he basically feels he has a choice between being with them or watching them die.  Not exactly a great choice.


 


Also, in the series itself, Sisko did abandon Kasidy at least once, when he left DS9 and returned to Earth at the end of the sixth season. He did not even say goodbye to her (at least that the audience saw). And he apparently didn't even know if he would be coming back. He took those actions for a seemingly far less important reason: simply wanting to figure some things out.


 


As for Sisko deciding finally to attempt to befriend his first officer, the Prophecy did not say anything about him not being able to have friends, only about him not spending his life with Kasidy. I knew this story would be a tough sell for some readers, but I like a challenge.


 


I also love these characters. While I have no problem with somebody not liking my writing, I do take exception to somebody questioning my motives. Anybody who thinks that I could spend months planning, writing, and editing a Star Trek novel but not understand or care about the characters has no understanding of what it is I do.


Regards, David

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 4:27 am

Well thank you for the explanation. I appreciate having the writers contribute because it clears up misunderstanding and helps us to understand your intentions.

Though I still disagree that Sisko wouldn't leave his wife and child, you have given me much to think about Mr George. Abandoning Cassidy at the end of season 6 is an excellent point and something I hadn't considered and must now. However, he wasn't married with a child then, which is a key difference. Family is a central core value to Sisko. Though he is a tormented and complex character, and no doubt needed time alone to pull himself together, total abandonment seems the antithesis of his overall presentation and destroys the hope of return the series ended with.

That said, I respect your presentation far more now and hope not to have caused personal offense. The Romulan politics and assassinations were well done along with the needed development of the Tzenkethi, who I hope get more stories. You excelled in those chapters and have a pleasant to read writing style. I will grant that people change after traumatic events in ways you don't expect and hope we can discuss the nature of Sisko further as writers and readers. I would love to hear Mr George convince me further on his Sisko approach and admiration of the character. I hope Mr George will also post his earlier comment on amazon.com and have a constructive interchange with us here as David Mack has, which I believe encourages readership.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 4:54 am

The thought just occurred to me, we tend also to be overprotective of our favorite characters. Sisko was my favorite and most relatable captain and we all get upset when our heroes let us down. The VOY fans similarly are angered that Janeway is dead (but is she?) and refuse to try Kristen Beyer's excellent books for this reason though they make a good follow up. My personal hero, Ernest Shackleton, cheated on his wife and I over look that. I suppose I need to be more accepting of the direction writers take in that the negatives make the stories more real (like Janeway's premature death) and relatable to readers who are similarly fault riddled characters. To the writers who read here (and I hope Michael Martin gets this too), thank you for keeping our trek fantasies alive with your devotion to the franchise and the fans. I would hate it and find it unfair for you to judge my engineering decisions and I should likewise respect your abilities in your craft.

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