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MetalGorn

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Report this Dec. 26 2010, 7:04 pm

No kidding! WTF? I'm dying for Tuesday to get here so I can go and get it!

One thing I'm happy to read in your post is the mention of the Ascendants! They were last touched upon in "The Soul Key".

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Report this Dec. 26 2010, 7:16 pm

I dunno how, I went to the bookstore, and "Rough Beasts" was sitting on the shelf. So I bought it, and am reading it as quickly as I can.

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Report this Dec. 26 2010, 7:47 pm

Quote: skylight112 @ Dec. 26 2010, 7:16 pm

I dunno how, I went to the bookstore, and "Rough Beasts" was sitting on the shelf. So I bought it, and am reading it as quickly as I can.


Wow, good bragging rights for you! Just please, no book 3 spoilers till Wednesday.

Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Dec. 26 2010, 7:59 pm

What a steal skylight! Sometimes booksellers do make mistakes like that.

But please- lets freeze discussion of the book itself until wednesday. I will be up all night reading it on Tuesday.

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Report this Dec. 27 2010, 10:05 pm

Quote: skylight112 @ Dec. 26 2010, 6:32 pm

As for the Bashir book. Great insight on the Breen. As a race, they make sense now. I really really hope that Bashir as an intellegence agent sets the stage for the return of the strongest DS9 character......Garak.....Only Garak can save Bashir from himself and take down Section 31 once and for all!

 

The Titan was good too. I like the Gorn a lot now.

 

I am in the middle of "Rough Beasts" I love the Spock part, but HATE the Sisko part. Sisko is a family man first, he would NEVER do this. I like where Kira is, but somebody better explain the Acedency thing. I don't like unresolved stories.

 




Spoilers...yay... LOL

How about the book cover for it? I was disappointed to not see Sisko's goatee of doom on the cover! Lol

skylight112

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Report this Dec. 28 2010, 7:48 pm

There is a reason he doesn't have it on the cover.

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Report this Dec. 29 2010, 11:05 am

Just picked up "Rough Beasts of Empire" yesterday, but haven't started it. With the world in the upper righthand corner, the book cover kinda reminds me of the "Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" covers.

Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Dec. 30 2010, 11:08 pm

Just finished it tonight. Great book. Will give official review later - but for now 4.5 out of five lightsabers.

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Report this Dec. 31 2010, 7:42 am

Book 3- My review
One of my biggest issues with the book is the cover, which features pictures of Sisko and Spock. This is misleading as these 2 are only minor characters in the story, in fact Sisko could have been removed completely without compromising the story. I think having Tal’aura and a Tzenkethi on the cover would have been more appropriate, but those faces wouldn’t sell as many books. I also think this should have been book 1 as developments early in the book are picked up on in Zero Sum Game after which nothing relates to books 1 and 2.
The book opens strong. Firstly, there is an engaging hand to hand battle involving Spock. Next we see Sisko in a starship battle during the events of Destiny. I’m glad Vaughn went down in a blaze of glory, taking out 3 ½ cubes before being thrown across the bridge. Then, the borg are drawn away by the Omega particles, if only the timing were a bit better. What an amazing battle scene in the beginning!
I like how when Sisko arrives in New Orleans, you are built up thinking that his father has recovered and is home, then **wham** finds out he has died from his daughter in law. It was built up to be a shock and was well done. From there out, I was disgusted, yes literally disgusted with George’s portrayal of Sisko. George showed no understanding of the character and if this had been an episode, Avery Brooks would have refused to act in it.
DS9 ended with the concept that Sisko would return because Brooks didn’t want to fuel the stereotype that black men abandon their families. So what does George do after the events of Unity when Sisko returns to his family? He has him abandon his wife and daughter and file for divorce. I was appalled, and so would Mr Brooks. Sisko is a family man, he was always devoted to Jake and then Cassidy, he wouldn’t have missed months of their lives just to leave them and he wouldn’t have rejoined Starfleet without speaking to his wife first and running away. You should be ashamed Mr George, you certainly shouldn’t write any more Sisko books.
The highlight of the book was the development of the Tzenkethi. The Tzenkethi appear humanoid but only have bone in their spines, the rest of their bodies are made of fluid-filled sacs that keep them rigid. They also glow. They believe in conserving space, using gravity fields to turn walls and ceilings into floors. They don’t have caste system but are given a life’s work based upon their genetic disposition. They are an interesting race, both similar and quite alien. One of the best parts of the book is the Tzenkethi operative who believes the Federation policy of exploration and admittance of member worlds to be a cover for expansionism and annexing worlds to add to their space. It was great to have such a perspective on the UFP and explains why the peaceful society has so many enemies.
The Kinshaya are barely mentioned at all. I believe they are the religious zealots and didn’t exist before the Typhon Pact concept. I just don’t understand why bring in a new race when you could have brought in New Frontier’s Redeamers, dangerous religious zealots which have prior development and were the antagonists in one of Peter David’s best books.
In conclusion, I’d say worth reading. The book will have a large impact on future novels, especially amongst Romulans and unfortunately in Sisko’s private life (bad man, Mr George). Though the book opens with the promise of engaging battles, it doesn’t follow through; offering mostly foreign politics. That’s fine, but George wasted too many pages on foreign politics (though not as much as Martin) and lets be honest, we read and watch Star Trek for what happens aboard starships and our favorite characters. In this respect, the series started superbly but is increasingly a giant let down.

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Report this Dec. 31 2010, 3:39 pm

I agree with Mathias about Sisko's portrayal in this book. The character in this novel with the name Benjamin Sisko is not true to the character shown to us over the years. I know people change over time, but his core values would not change overnight like this. Sisko is a family man first. It is one of the big things that makes him different from Kirk, Picard, and Janeway. Sisko was a good captain, and he did it by relying on his family support structures. No matter how bad things got, he could always go back to his family. Why isn't Jake going after his dad in this novel? Jake is a man now, and based on his character, I can't see Jake just letting his dad abandon who he is. Then at the end of book, Sisko contradicts everything he claims he is feeling through the novel. Why is he willing to befriend his commander but still abandon his wife? Sisko claims he is not being selfish, but he is. The prophets promised Sisko would know only sorrow if he stayed with Cassidy. They did not say his family or those who are close to him would know only sorrow. Those who love him for who he is, would stay with him despite the tragedies in his life. In staying away from Cassidy, Sisko is only trying to avoid sorrow for himself. This is not Sisko. Sisko always puts everyone before himself. George clearly does not understand the character of Benjamin Sisko.

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Report this Dec. 31 2010, 5:32 pm

Thank you, my wife said the same. She said she is going to act like this book doesn't exist because it doesn't fit the profile at all. I could have enjoyed the book more if I wasn't so angry about how Sisko was different. And you are right about Jake, in The Visitor, Jake would not rest until he saved his dad, now in this book Jake ignores Sisko abandoning his step mom and sister? And what was with the dear john letter? He tells Cassidy how he learned to move onafter Jennifer died though he always loved her. So he is saying, you were always second string to my first wife and I am dead to you? My only explanation is David George has some personal vendetta against Avery Brooks and wants to undo how he shaped the character. George thanks his wife for her support in the conclusion, too. He's a married man, and he would see a character do this!?! I wonder what HIS wife would think, if she would be as angry as my wife.

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Report this Dec. 31 2010, 9:23 pm

Kinda going beyond Sisko, I am not sure a lot of these writers really respected who the characters in DS9 came to be.

Bashir always had balance in his life regarding his genetic engineering. You know he would never become like Khan. His conscience would not allow it. After reading Zero Sum, it looks as if Bashir is becoming a killing machine using his genetic engineering to hurt people.

Odo abandons Kira for his people. But now his people are gone, with the exception of Lars, and he still doesn't come back for her? His lifespan would allow him to spend a lifetime with her, and then go back to Lars if he wants. So the romance developed during the series meant nothing? He'd rather be a warlord, then Odo?

What about the characters developed early in the relaunch? We invested in them. We cared about them. Where is Nog? Why aren't he and Shar working together solving the mysteries of the galaxy like they started doing in the early books. Send Nog to Andoria to help Shar if necessary. So much for Vaughn. We can't use him anymore, so we kill him off? What about Ro and Quark? Treir? Jem'Hadar can break their genetic programming now, what are they doing? Last I remember before this book, Kira was still blacklisted from the Bajoran faith. Now everything is ok with that? She's ok with being a Vedek for a body of people that cast her out? I liked these characters. I cared about them, and I was hoping the Typhon Pact relaunch would continue to develop these characters. Instead I feel that writers with agendas are ignoring what fans want to read and the well developed characters we have simply to create tension and uncertainty. The only uncertainty for me is if I will ever by another DS9 book again.

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Report this Jan. 01 2011, 6:53 am

I don't think that's universally true. Some writers do care about their characters and try to understand them. I think Mack is a good example of this. I thought Bashir would have been more willing to kill based upon all his spy novels and time in the war, but he was reluctant to kill every time he had to in Zero Sum. Mack provided a good, well thought explanation of this in this thread that showed he understood how Bashir thinks. Also, I think Bashir feels as abandoned at DS9 as you do, lol.

As for Vaughn, man he's old. Served aboard the Ent-B and has had a rough life. When he showed up in Avatar, I thought, "My god, is this man gonna have a heart attack in 2 books." He was old and his loss was to be expected. At least he got the warrior's death on starship bridge where he wanted to go.

Shar is supposed to be in book 4, so we'll see what happens there and Nog would be expected to move on to advance his career. he spent his entire life on DS9, I'm sure he would like to try new horizons. As for Odo/Kira, they were never REALLY compatable. Their time apart probably taught them what their priorities were. I'm with you on Kira being excommunicated, I don't remember her being accepted back but being so close to the emmissary and the return of Opaka no doubt changed her situation. She was always highly spiritual, and in STO, she's Kai!

I do think DS9 had more character development than the other series so I hope the characters are given more attention, it was also the first to have a relaunch so we got more continuance with DS9 than we have with the others thus far.

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Report this Jan. 01 2011, 10:03 am

Lieutenant_Jedi's Review of Star Trek Typhon Pact: Rough Beasts of Empire.



4.5 lightsabers out of 5

The third book of the Typhon Pact series delves into two more races of the Typhon Pact - the Tzenkethi and the Romulans.
By using the experiences of Spock and Benjamin Sisko (with minor alien characters and one surprising return character also providing narrative perspective) it discusses the political repercussions of the division of the Romulan Empire (as debuted in the first Titan novel) and introduces some of the culture and goals of the Tzenkethi. The novel also catches the reader up with Ben Sisko as it outlines his actions and adventures since the Destiny trilogy and the galaxy changing events that took place there.

The good. Almost everything.
Spock. The most famous character in all of Trek is handled exceptionally well. The author's experience with Spock (whom has been featured in several of his novels) and the Romulan political maneuverings (ditto) is clear and welcome. At times I could hear Leonard's voice coming off the page.
The Romulans. Also excellently portrayed. The elaborate political scheming that consumes their culture is well outlined, even if the overall goal of one of the antagonists (Tal' Aura) was rather obvious to the reader.
The Tzenkethi. It was nice to finally get peek at that race, and their overall culture of genetically manipulated castes is fascinating, as is their architectural concepts of "superior floors" and gravity manipulations. Their manipulation of the Typhon Pact itself gives the reader a sense of what is to come in the future interactions between the Typhon Pact powers and the Federation = Klingon alliance.
The action scenes. Both the one on one fight at the beginning of the book, and the ship battle scenes are very well done. The only complaint is that they are all at the beginning, not sprinkled throughout, which would have lightened a book that is very dark in tone.
Sisko. Although it seems that I am in disagreement with the other reviewers I thought he was done very well. He is an enigmatic figure who has been saddled with a very difficult life. The author does a good job in trying to capture what it must be like for a person whose entire life has already been viewed and determined, and whose sources of counsel and guidance are cut off one by one. The scene where Ben reveals to Kira that the Prophets no longer speak to him is very poignant. And he deserves to be on the cover.
The long story arcs.
One of my favorite features of Ds9 is that the characters did not always do the right thing, and that it took time for them to make up for their mistakes and repair relationships. By outlining Sisko's stunning decision to isolate himself from those he loves, and to run from his responsibilities to his family, the author introduces what is sure to be a long story arc, seeing as SO many issues in the DS9 story are unresolved (the Ascendant/ Prophets, the Kira story, the mirror universe, etc.)
The return of Sela.
Great stuff, and seeing as she is back to her usual evil genius routine, I look forward to seeing one of Star Trek's most unapologetic villains back in business.
Kira. Well portrayed and it is very nice to see her at peace.

The bad. The death of Sisko's father. Although the author was trying highlight Sisko's growing isolation and feelings of loss, to kill off his Dad without allowing the son to converse with him one more time was ridiculous. I would have loved to see ol' Papa Sisko try to straighten out his son one more time.
Kasidy Yates. She seems to quickly dismiss Sisko's concerns, and her lack of faith in the Prophets is shown. The author highlights one of the main mistakes that DS9 made - pairing Sisko with an unbeliever. His intimate ties with the Bajoran religion would eventually lead to trouble, but the way that the author handle their issues feels rushed.

Overall the book was excellent and I hope that TPTB get over their DS9 bias and outline some more of the amazing stories that DS9 has to tell.

PS; To MR - the Kinshaya were explored in some depth in the IKS books by Keith R. DeCandido. I have them if you would like to read them.

PPS: To those who are upset by the Sisko portrayal, just remember this is fiction and the authors are allowed to take liberties with established characters. And if you watch Sisko throughout the series his sense of responsibility to the well being of the larger group tends to take precedence over the well being of the few. And this is not the first time he has left his family to take care of a larger responsibility.

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Report this Jan. 01 2011, 10:49 am

I had hoped to get at least one of the books last week, but got sick and couldn't get to the book store. Maybe sometime this month I can get some.

Keep those spoilers coming, tho!! I need my ST book fix somehow! LOL

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