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Typhon Pact

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 29 2010, 10:05 am

I suppose the events of Destiny and the formation of the typhon pact were so traumatic, the UFP had to primarily look inward and forced them to lean away from exploration for a bit. In such a hard time, Bacco does seem perfect for the job. The part where she was facing the Tholian ambassador was excellent. Like David said, the better bull****er won. It is just sad to see the galactic utopia lost.

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Report this Oct. 29 2010, 6:56 pm

Oh, I have so got to get this book now!

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Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Oct. 29 2010, 7:28 pm

Well in all seriousness these are works of fiction, and need to be engaging to sell. The political parts of the novels are familiar, and thus engaging. President Bacco is by no means the most manipulative Federation President in recent memory.
You should read the "Time to .. series"

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jhensley1999

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Report this Nov. 04 2010, 11:30 pm

I have to say that I just finished the book and it was very well done. I've read a few of your books over the years but I have to say that this hass got me hooked. I never got into DS9 as much as I wanted to since I was working all the time, but the book really kept me guessing until the end. Dax figuring her ways around everything reminds me of Kirk. Well done!

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Report this Nov. 05 2010, 11:11 am

Thanks, jhensley1999! Glad you enjoyed the book. And yes — I like to think of Ezri Dax as a female reincarnation of James T. Kirk. ;-)


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Report this Nov. 26 2010, 9:17 am

Just finished "Zero Sum Game" and LOVED it. Thank you David Mack for yet another masterpiece. A lot of my fellow Trek Lit lovers have already written the good stuff I have to say. It takes me longer to get through some of the books due to work/family etc, but when I do get to them, man, what a rush.

Can't wait to get and read the next one in the Typhon Pact series!

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Lieutenant_Jedi

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Report this Nov. 27 2010, 5:48 am

The next book comes out on tuesday. Exciting!

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Matthias Russell

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Report this Nov. 29 2010, 11:55 am

I've got the book set to download to my phone at midnight. It will be cool to see the gorn developed more. Guess someone will have to update memory beta.
I just finished Torrent Sea and Synthesis and am enthused for more Titan. Sooooooo, which of us will finish it first?

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Report this Nov. 29 2010, 8:30 pm

I am not sure. I am going to go get it tomorrow but I have a pretty busy day ahead of me.  


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Nov. 30 2010, 2:27 pm

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Report this Dec. 02 2010, 8:34 pm

I finished the book Tuesday. Good, not great.

It fit the standard Titan story model - that is a one off story that both introduces and solves a major crisis in one book.

I will post a more extensive review tomorrow - if anyone is interested.

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Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 03 2010, 6:56 am

Book 2: Seize the Fire, my review
Start to finish, I didn’t enjoy this book. Mo offense to Michael Martin, he has a family to feed, is knowledgable and enthusiast about Trek, and is a better writer than I am, but all his books are hard to make it through. Like “Taking Wing” and his ENT novels, this book could have been reduced by 1/3 to ½ and having the needless and boring material removed would have made it better. I sometimes think he is paid by the word. It was boring throughout and I struggled to want to finish it. I was further annoyed by there being no connection whatsoever to Book 1 and perhaps the rest of the series as a whole, and Book 1 was an amazingly gripping story as were the last few Titan books.
I couldn’t understand the Gorn needing an entire planet for eggs. Earth has numerous climates and habitats as I would expect other habitable worlds. Plus, don’t tell me the Typhon Pact doesn’t have the ability to create a suitable artificial habitat. I also thought Brahma-Shiva was a dumb name for the exosculptor and a needless plug from Martin’s interest in eastern cultures. What was wrong with “Exosculptor” or the Gorn goddess name? The Hindu name just didn’t jive and didn’t seem to work when people like Tuvok and White-Blue used it. I also didn’t like Tuvok saying, “No technology I am aware of has posed dsuch profound dangers as Genesis”, I don’t buy this. The entire story with the rogue Gorn bored me, I started skipping through those parts and wish it could have been entirely removed, it just didn’t jive with the rest of the story to me. There was also an editorial error saying Sean Hawk was killed by the Gorn, not the Borg; this error threw off the connection being established when the error occurred.
As to the positive- I appreciate how well Martin researched the book to fit it in with prior published Gorn material, even the pre-relaunch, non-canon material. He is very thorough. I thought the “Myrmadon” title plug was cool and fitting for the Gorn. The development of the Gorn was slightly interesting with the caste system but I would have liked the race to have been as well developed as David Mack developed the Breen, for some reason, I couldn’t get into the Gorn like I could the Breen; and the Gorn didn’t appear to be a threat to the UFP itself like the Breen were. I also like how Martin avoided overly developing who’s sleeping with who as Titan books tend to do. He also made a good thinking point in asking does ‘warp capable’ mean possessing FTL engines before a society is worthy of first contact. I also like how he ended the book with a hint of a story to come, but this ending in no way connected to Book 1 cliffhangers.
In the end, necessary to read, okay story, poorly executed. I still look forward to Book 3 and I will read Martin’s future Trek works, but I hope he will slim them down significantly.

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Report this Dec. 05 2010, 1:04 pm

For all those breathlessly waiting for the Lieutenant_Jedi review of "Typhon Pact: Seize the Fire" by Michael Martin here it is: On a rating scale of one to five lightsabers - I give it one and a half lightsabers.


Let's start with the good.


The Gorn. This reptillian race has been given little exposure in canon material, and not much more in non canon material. Mr. Martin does a good job of getting inside their mind, and explaining a good deal about their culture. It was amusing to think of a reptillian race being as disgusted with a mammalian or "humanoid" race as humans are revolted by snakes, lizards, etc. The Gorn felt real, and even though Mr. Martin seemed to be borrowing heavily from the "V" series he did do a decent job of getting you to understand their motivations and activities.


The overall story framework.


One of the strengths of the Titan novels is that they hold so carefully to the old school Star Trek format: They present a problem, and the intrepid crew solves it in a hour or so of screen time, or in this case one novel. They then pack up and head off to a new part of the galaxy and find another crisis to solve. "Seize the Fire" holds to that format. It presents the Gorn Empire in crisis, places the Titan crew oh so conveniently near that crisis and allows them to solve it by time the novel is done.


Tuvok.


The underrated Vulcan gets to shine. He again places his mental health on the line to save the Titan, and uses his myriad skills to save the day. In my mind it is so silly that this man is not the first Officer of the Titan. He could likely command a ship of his own. Michael Martin uses Tuvok in this book very deftly, and even gets T'pel involved.


Hrannanii - this is the planet threatened by the Gorn's terraforming efforts, and is a well - imaginined planet and culture. It's techological developments challenge the notion of the Prime directive's standard of FTL travel itself, and the reader can really picture being on the planet, and interacting with its inhabitants.


 


The Bad.


The story. The entire time you are reading, you never once feel gripped by the story itself. Although this type of plot-line should get you excited, it feels like a chore to get through the novel. It just feels contrived. I mean what are the chances that the Titan just happens to be wandering around the EXACT area where the Gorn have discovered this intelligent terraforming weapon/artifact that just so conveniently happens to be capable of cutting off specific methods of communication? Grrr. So many plotholes some large enough to fly the Titan through. Tacked on story lines - such as the rogue Gorn - proliferate. Climatic events are completely ignored. For instance Tuvok saves the day by melding with a vastly powerful alien consciousness. Yet the author chooses to reveal nothing about what actually happened other than to have Tuvok's wife make mild commentary from a distance. ---WHAT? In my mind what could have been the best scene was left out. Blows me away. 


Minutiae. More time was spent talking about Deanna's daycare routine then was spent on the Tuvok - Exosculptor pow -wow. So many tiny day in the life details were kept in the book, while larger issues were completely ignored. Who cares about whether or not Deanna will have to leave a note for the babysitter? We read novels to escape from reality not to dwell on the stuff we do anyway. 


Characters. I appreciated the need to help the Gorn guest on the Titan feel better about himself by exposing him to reptillian members of the crew, but overall the use of Titan's characters was one of the greatest weaknesses of the story. Christine Vale was outmatched in ways she never should have been, White -Blue was written terribly (and I was really looking forward to him) and was a cheap Data knock off. Tuvok was sullen and withdrawn and seemed afraid to confront his past (even though that was yet another event that was glossed over - GRRR).


And on and on. 


Length. Good grief, I think Martin gets paid by the word. The novel could have easily saved two hundred pages by eliminating the rogue Gorn. Then Martin could have focused on the race that created the exosculptor, the Hrannani, and created a political subplot to tie the Titan's hands, not have some kind of deus ex machina bit with the subspace/sensor barrier. 


All told it was a good concept done poorly. One hopes the next Titan novel gets the train back on the tracks. 


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 05 2010, 5:28 pm

I'm with you jedi, it seemed the 3 major players came together too much by coincidence. All of them seemed to be at the right place at the right time. The titan characters' development was minimized for the sake of developing the gorn characters and I found the gorn romance didn't move me and the gorn villains weren't memorable. The planet around which the story was built was interesting, well in league with the titan tradition and could have used more of a role itself.

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Report this Dec. 09 2010, 10:43 pm

Well seeing as no one else is interested in talking about the books, perhaps we can generate some discussion. What are you looking for in the next Typhon Pact novel?

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