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What Things Are questionable about the federation?

"granosos"

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 9:13 pm

 


the federation as a any organization is not perfect . surely the federation has made questionable decisions.


I would like to know what things or decisions  you don't like about  the federation.


my opinion:


I think Section 31 is really questionable, it seems that is not part of the federation but it's definitely part of the federation. I love the section 31 but this is against the entire message of the federation.


 I also think the federation  took several questionable decisions in the dominion - war , for example not to send reinforcements to ds9  against the dominion's  attack in "calls to arms".


finally I think the federation is an organization "too human" for being a union of interplanetary races.


 


what do you think? What Things Are questionable about the federation?


 


sorry for mi english 


 

Vger23

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 5:05 am

I agree. The Prime Directive is absolutely necessary in some cases, and absolutely ridiculous in others.

I think that's what makes it such a cool storytelling device!

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FriendlyTrekker

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 6:23 am

The Prime Directive is applied inconsistently and is largely unenforceable outside of Starfleet.


No Money - How is this society run and how are goods and services allocated?  What is used to fund the building of starships, medical centers, schools?  The Federation seems like a benevolent dictatorship.


Superiority complex:  They've eliminated disease, poverty and hunger, allegedly.  They can't help but come off as better than everyone else they encounter.  But it gets old after awhile, listening to them give lip service to respecting other cultures when it's obvious they hold them in disdain.


Areligious:  Respecting the backward religions of others, but obviously outgrowing them ourselves.  See above.  I find it hard to believe that filling bellies eliminates the search for the meaning of life.


 


 


 


 


 


 

Vger23

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 6:47 am

Quote: FriendlyTrekker @ Oct. 21 2010, 6:23 am

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>The Prime Directive is applied inconsistently and is largely unenforceable outside of Starfleet.

>No Money - How is this society run and how are goods and services allocated?  What is used to fund the building of starships, medical centers, schools?  The Federation seems like a benevolent dictatorship.

>Superiority complex:  They've eliminated disease, poverty and hunger, allegedly.  They can't help but come off as better than everyone else they encounter.  But it gets old after awhile, listening to them give lip service to respecting other cultures when it's obvious they hold them in disdain.

>Areligious:  Respecting the backward religions of others, but obviously outgrowing them ourselves.  See above.  I find it hard to believe that filling bellies eliminates the search for the meaning of life.

>
Agree, agree, and agree...


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"granosos"

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 9:21 am

of course ,I forgot the prime directive, that in theory is very good but in practice it is very complicated.

lostshaker

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 3:52 pm

"No Money - How is this society run and how are goods and services allocated?  What is used to fund the building of starships, medical centers, schools?  The Federation seems like a benevolent dictatorship.


Superiority complex:  They've eliminated disease, poverty and hunger, allegedly.  They can't help but come off as better than everyone else they encounter.  But it gets old after awhile, listening to them give lip service to respecting other cultures when it's obvious they hold them in disdain.


Areligious:  Respecting the backward religions of others, but obviously outgrowing them ourselves.  See above.  I find it hard to believe that filling bellies eliminates the search for the meaning of life." - FriendlyTrekker


This list is indicative of earth, not the Federation, and the entire Federation cannot be judged based on a description of Earth. In fact, Carol Marcus said the following in TWOK:


"...should the Federation wish to fund these experiments to their logical conclusion. When we consider the cosmic problems of population and food supply..."


While this was during the 23rd Century, similar arguments can be made for the 24th Century. It would also seem that one form of funding within the Federation may be credits, which is to be differentiated from earth's non-currency based economy.


As for being Areligious, Star Trek is a humanist philosophy and it could be argued that the characters are far more spiritual than today. They are self-motivated and governed, expressing higher capabilities of abstraction - as they would have to be for lack of currency. And their search for the meaning of life is in large part what causes Gene Roddenberry humans to be explorers by "working to better themselves and the rest of humanity," (Picard, ST:FC).


granosos,


Section 31 is wrong... but so very entertaining.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 4:13 pm

That it's so god damn liberal.

Jason222

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Report this Oct. 24 2010, 4:57 pm

The only problem I have prime Diritive is allow alien race to died out just because never design warp drive. I had talk perfestor at Westchester community college about it as will.

konarciq

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Report this Oct. 25 2010, 4:45 am

Agree wholeheartedly with all the above (at least the ones I know - I´ve no idea what Section 31 implies).
And would like to add that they seem to see their population as their property. TNG Journey´s End: the UFP insisted that the people from that planet were to be removed, to another Federation planet. By force if necessary. They weren´t even given the choice whether they´d want to move planet or preferred to stay under Cardassian jurisdiction. That really did smack of dictatorship to me.
Got acquainted with a somewhat similar situation in Preemptive Strike yesterday. How can they call that freedom?
And then of course the persistently repeated "Starfleet is not military", yet their whole organization, the way the function, and what they ask of their people - often even the way they go about exploring - is nothing BUT military...

If there is nothing wrong with me, then maybe there´s something wrong with the universe? -Dr. Crusher

Data Logan

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Report this Oct. 25 2010, 6:53 pm

I've always thought the ban on genetic engineering was questionable -- arguably discrimination, at least against those children that just happen to be altered by their parents

tribblenator999

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Report this Oct. 25 2010, 7:20 pm

i think the federation is fine. it's not perfect but it's a whole lot better than what we have today.

"take us out"...

iBorg13

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Report this Nov. 18 2010, 8:11 pm

Section 31 is completely backward from the rest of the Federation. But, I do admire them. They are not bound by the expectations and regulations of Starfleet, if they need to get something done, they get it done to the best of their ability. By any means necersary.

miklamar

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Report this Nov. 20 2010, 9:22 pm

The existence of units like Section 31 would seem to violate the principles the Federation publicly advocated. And, sometimes strictly adhering to the Prime Directive produced callous actions, instead of helping people. Sometimes they vacillated about using cloaking technology, which they had promised the Romulans not to use. As with all organizations and governments, the Federation had its faults. A few species may have had governments that suited them better, specifically--like the Vulcan culture for Vulcans, the Ferengi laws for Ferengi, or the Klingon culture for Klingons--but, I think the Federation was the best form of government for all the species involved.  And, its expansion seems to indicate it was preferred to many other types of rule.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this Nov. 20 2010, 9:25 pm

Quote: FriendlyTrekker @ Oct. 21 2010, 6:23 am

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>The Prime Directive is applied inconsistently and is largely unenforceable outside of Starfleet.

>No Money - How is this society run and how are goods and services allocated?  What is used to fund the building of starships, medical centers, schools?  The Federation seems like a benevolent dictatorship.

>Superiority complex:  They've eliminated disease, poverty and hunger, allegedly.  They can't help but come off as better than everyone else they encounter.  But it gets old after awhile, listening to them give lip service to respecting other cultures when it's obvious they hold them in disdain.

>Areligious:  Respecting the backward religions of others, but obviously outgrowing them ourselves.  See above.  I find it hard to believe that filling bellies eliminates the search for the meaning of life.

>


 


I AGREE on all points well said. Right on


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quaker2k7

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Report this Nov. 29 2010, 12:07 pm

The question is how can the Federation have any kind of functioning economy with their "do whatever you feel like, as long it's not hard work because we don't want our people to work hard" philosophy.

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