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First Contact: Plot Holes and Oddities

AtoZ2

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 3:33 am




I will admit I am not a fan of First Contact. I don't believe its good Trek as so many do
I've culled and put together the many problems and plot holes I could find and think of...I am sure there a lots more.
I am sure many of you will come up with explaining answers real or imagined, to be sure, this is all just for fun, argue away: 


Plot Holes:
At the opening of the movie, the Enterprise-E is doing research near the Neutral Zone, which is such a long distance from Earth that subspace messages are delayed an hour. However, Picard and company listen to 'live' battle communications and manage to warp back to Earth in time for the final battle.

If the Borg wanted to go back in time to stop the formation of the Federation, why travel all the way to Earth, and then do the time warp, when someone can see what they are doing? Why not go back in time where no one can see you and then go to Earth? Or alternatively, the Borg could have just gone back in time and destroyed either Vulcan or the Vulcan survey ship.


Why do the Borg always only send one ship to attack the Federation? If they sent two or three, they would be unstoppable (especially with the ease by which Starfleet vessels are destroyed in a firefight against the Borg).


So the Vulcan survey team picks up a warp signature from Zefram Cochrane's ship during the very brief warp trip. How did they know to land in Montana to find him?


Who financed the building of the warp ship? In a post-apocolyptic world, I don't think there would be too many venture capitalists with risk capital to spend on this sort of thing. Hell, even NASA can't get money for unmanned space probes in this day and age.


When Picard and Worf went outside the ship to stop the Borg from completing their communication beacon, why didn't they just beam out there or use a shuttlecraft instead of doing a time-consuming spacewalk along the hull?


The Borg are slow, yet they manage to take over the Enterprise-E virtually undetected and assimilate crew members. Even if a crew member was trapped by one of these things, about to assimilated, they must have had time to alert someone with their comm badge. And wouldn't the shipboard sensors have detected the presence of the Borg as soon as they got on board (in the television series, the bridge was always alerted to the sudden appearance of an alien presence anywhere on the ship). And once the Borg were detected, couldn't the crew just have beamed them all into space?


Picard shows up in the middle of the Starfleet battle against the Borg and assumes command of the whole fleet. Who died and made him Admiral?


Earth is a post-apocolyptic world following World War III fought with nuclear weapons. Where's the nuclear winter?


Changed Premises:

Picard has had seven years to get over being Borgified in "Best of Both Worlds". So why is he still so vulnerable when it comes to the Borg. He didn't whig out in the other Borg episodes of the series ("I, Borg", "Descent")... so why should he now? Plus he had the opportunity to destroy the Borg with the invasive program in "I, Borg", but he felt it was unethical. And what is it with this mental telepathy with the Borg Queen? How come Picard never experienced it before?


It is possible to 'rescue' a Borgified human being... after all Dr. Crusher was able to save Picard. But in "First Contact", Picard shoots anyone who has been assimilated because he's "doing them a favour" (proof that he's whigged out).


If the Borg have a collective consciousness, why do they need a Borg Queen? What purpose does she serve?


Troi seems to have lost her telepathic abilities. She was alone in a bar with Zefram Cochrane and couldn't figure out who he was.


In DS9, Sisko always sends out at least two of his command staff on the Defiant. In "First Contact", he only sends Worf.


Equipment Oddities:

The plasma coolant leak at the end ate away all organic tissue but did nothing to Data's uniform.


Zefram Cochrane's warp ship was a modified ICBM. How did it land after the historic flight? It didn't have any wings or landing gear.


In "Thine Own Self", Data was 'killed' when he was stabbed by a metal spike. In "First Contact", Data is unharmed by bullets.


The Borg personal shields can stop phaser blasts, but don't protect them from knives or holodeck machine gun bullets.


Speaking of the holodeck, when Picard ducked in there to escape the Borg, when did he find time to change his clothes?


In "Generations", Data was prisoner to the rampant emotion chip. However, in "First Contact", he can turn it on and off at will.


The USS Defiant is pretty useless for a supposed 'Borg fighter'. Not only has it been crippled so many times on DS9 (by the Maquis and the Jem Hadar), but Worf had to abandon it at the beginning of "First Contact" after being pummelled by the Borg.


When Picard was assimilated in "Best of Both Worlds", they removed his uniform and comm badge. In "First Contact", Picard kills a Borg and finds a Starfleet uniform and comm badge underneath the Borg outfit.


The Recycling Bin

Time travel, self-destructing the Enterprise... nothing we haven't seen before.


The Moby Dick allegory for destructive obsession was already used before in "Star Trek II". The use of it in "First Contact" was really contrived.


Miscellaneous

Counsellor Troi was wasted in this movie, both figuratively and literally. The highlight of her appearance was getting drunk for the sake of some cheap laughs.


Another character lost in the shuffle was Dr. Crusher. Unlike in the television show, where she was seen as someone Picard could talk to, she merely 'did her job' in this movie. And her scene in sickbay was upstaged by Robert Picardo's cameo appearance as the Emergency Medical Hologram.


"You broke your little ships." 'Nuff said.


So much for preserving the time-line. The loose-lipped crew of the Enterprise reveal interesting tidbits about the future to Cochrane, which is a definite no-no and use their futuristic equipment in plain sight.


2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 6:03 am

Agreed, Terra_Firma!
STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT
has flaws, like any picture.
And yet, its strengths outnumber,
outweight and overshadow those.

It couldn't have asked for a better
auteur and director, either! Its few
shortcomings are, no doubt, the result
of Studio interference. Despite this,
Frakes' vision still made it to the screen.
And the results speak for themselves - the
most successful STAR TREK movie, til that time!
So go on AtoZ2, chop away at it - FIRST CONTACT
stands as solid, premier entertainment.

AtoZ2

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 6:34 am

Actually Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home holds that title with a total of $109,713,132

Star Trek: First Contact made  $92,027,888


source Boxofficemojo.com


Nice try thou.


2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 6:38 am

... I demand a recount!!!

AtoZ2

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 6:40 am

Quote: /view_profile/ @

>If you could do that much nit-picking on a good Trek movie like First Contact, what can you do with a bad one like The Final Frontier?


It's already a given that Star Trek V is a bad movie, oddly comparatively speaking, The Final Frontier contains a lot fewer plot holes then First Contact.

Vger23

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 9:43 am

You can make this kind of list about any of the Star Trek movies. You should see mine for "Star Trek II" and "Star Trek VI." Those movies have so many plotholes, inaccuracies, and technical inconsistencies it's amazing.


But, it dosn't make them any less ENTERTAINING. I feel the same way about FC. Yeah, a lot of the stuff that goes on is a joke...but it is a fun ride nonetheless.


This is why I always laugh-off the people who base their opinion that "teh new movee iz teh sux!!!" on this type of stuff. Plotholes and inaccuracies are as common in Trek movies as Photon Torpedoes and Klingons.


The only movie, ironically, that you can't rip apart this easily is TMP.


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AtoZ2

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 5:35 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Oct. 20 2010, 9:43 am

You can make this kind of list about any of the Star Trek movies. You should see mine for "Star Trek II" and "Star Trek VI." Those movies have so many plotholes, inaccuracies, and technical inconsistencies it's amazing.

But, it dosn't make them any less ENTERTAINING. I feel the same way about FC. Yeah, a lot of the stuff that goes on is a joke...but it is a fun ride nonetheless.

This is why I always laugh-off the people who base their opinion that "teh new movee iz teh sux!!!" on this type of stuff. Plotholes and inaccuracies are as common in Trek movies as Photon Torpedoes and Klingons.

The only movie, ironically, that you can't rip apart this easily is TMP.



I created this list to prove a point and you got it... thanks....I'm still no fan of FC mind you.

Seems however the best liked Star Trek films have the most plot holes...now there's an oddity!!!!

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Report this Oct. 20 2010, 8:16 pm

ServalanFan's description of Cochrane
in TOS is, of course, correct. I'd like
to add that his love-life and its resolution
in that episode was very lame. As was his
portrayal. I never bought him as the inventor
of Warp Drive - a carpenter, maybe.

First Contact's Cochrane is far too "colorful" to
be a leader of men, as called for in the script.
But he had to be reimagined and I accept that.
At least he looks the part of an inventor and
isn't as boring as he was in TOS ...

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 5:03 am

AtoZ2,

Oh, don't worry! I got it, and I agree with you!

People sometime boarder on hypocracy when they gripe about how one film "SUCKED" because it has plotholes or technical inaccuracies or characterization issues...but 7 or 8 of the other movies, including those that are considered "the best" are all very much the same thing.

It's like when people say they have a huge problem with Sybok being Spock's brother in Star Trek V! "How can Spock have a half brother that we've never heard of?!?!?!?!?! THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!!! ARRRRHHHHHGGGGHHH!!!!" but, they never say a WORD about Kirk's son David appearing out of thin air in "Wrath of Khan."

HMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm........

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 10:06 pm

AtoZ2 - what can I say - you can pick apart any work of fiction if you want to - doesn't make it bad.

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Report this Oct. 22 2010, 5:23 am

Quote: ultimatecaptain @ Oct. 21 2010, 10:06 pm

AtoZ2 - what can I say - you can pick apart any work of fiction if you want to - doesn't make it bad.


You failed to understand the principal lesson.

"Thank Pitch Forks and Pointed Ears"

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Report this Oct. 24 2010, 3:49 pm

Ok, certainly having the Enterprise so far away, yet returning in time for the battle is a massive blunder, I've pointed that one out myself, but most of the others can be explained.

Going back in time to stop FC wasn't the Borgs original plan, they only did this after the cube was destroyed.
It's been debated that the Borg only send one Cube because it's "efficient" as they believe one cube would be enough.
The Vulcans could have tracked Chochrane to the launch site.
Lilly touches on the subject of getting enought titanium to build the cockpit, but doesn't go into detail about how they built the phoenix.
The transporters were off line, and access to the shuttlecraft must have been blocked.
We see crewmembers being snatched without warning in the movie proving that the Borg use different tactics when required. Picard says that the Borg must have beamed over when the shields were down, due to the temporal wake, the sensors were also effected. The Borg can block transporter locks.
Admiral Hayes dies when his ship is destroyed, and that means Picard who commands the most powerful ship in the fleet can take control under Starfleet regulations.

It's getting late, I'll get back to you on those others.

If you can read this it means I've got something to work on here.

SnugglePuff

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Report this Oct. 25 2010, 9:24 am

Dude, it's a movie, chill, its a fun movie to enjoy.

I happen to skim through your complaints of the movie and noticed the one where you said why did Picard take charge of the battle above Earch. Simple, when a senior ranking officer comes onto a scene he or she is in charge unless they defer someone else to take charge while they watch. This goes for Military, police, fire etc. . .

Vger23

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Report this Oct. 25 2010, 9:31 am

The BIGGER question, Captbates, would be this:

Would you create a similar list of creative excuses for those movies that you are not as entertained by?

I think that's the point that AtoZ2 is trying to make:

We come up with endless gripes about the plotholes and screw-ups for films we don't like, but we make very creative and imaginative excuses for those that we do.

Why someone can't feel confident enough to simply say "This movie entertained me and this one did not" is beyond me. People feel they need to justify their tastes with these kinds of examples for some reason. The problem is, you can't do that because the entire Trek movie series is littered with foolishness.

Of course, if you point that out to someone who's trying to rationalize their opinion, they usually just respond with "well, the movie I don't like has MORE problems and WORSE problems than the others." That's BUNK, and it's a matter of opinion only.

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Report this Oct. 25 2010, 9:33 am

ServalanFan,

I agree. If I TRULY analyzed Star Trek and based my opinion of it on lack of plotholes and technical accuracy...I'd HATE it. No doubt in my mind about that.

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