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Star Wars vs. Star Trek

Exok

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Report this Oct. 15 2010, 5:06 pm

What would happen if Star Trek fought Star Wars? Who would win?

Vorta_the_point

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Report this Oct. 15 2010, 7:41 pm

Are we talking about all of the corpereal Star Trek powers against the entirety of the Star Wars galaxy? What time periods of each universe would this scenario be set in?

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Report this Oct. 16 2010, 12:22 am

Does it really matter Wars has such a vast technological and numerical advantage over trek this would be a curb stomp.

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Report this Oct. 16 2010, 8:24 am

What I meant to say was, "Could Star Trek beat Star Wars?"


For example: The Empire vs. the Federation
or
The Death Star vs. a Borg Cube

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Report this Oct. 16 2010, 11:14 am

The Empire would easily lose, because most of its officers and soldiers are incompetent. Watch the movies: it's all right there on the screen, from stormtroopers who can't shoot straight to starship pilots who crash into each other.

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Report this Oct. 16 2010, 12:31 pm

In order to properly gauge a battle between these two Sci-Fi giants you first have to break down what equipment, as well as how that equioment, is being used.


(NOTE: i am only going to use what is seen in the 6 Star Wars Movies and Clone Wars animated Series up to Endor)


Star Wars: First off the pro's, they do have much bigger ships, as well as more powerful weapons then trek does (nothing that anyone on Treks side can truely argue against this point, sorry), as well as starfighters that can swarm and destroy an enemy ship.


Con's, Their technology seems to have reached the limit of what it is able to accomplish (i mean 10,000 years with very little advancement in any field is just pathetic). The bigger ships are more of a disadvantage then an advatage as they are slow moveing and just offer a huge target. On top of that Imperial fighters are basically death traps as they have no sheilding of any type to protect the pilot.


Star Trek: Pro's, they do have technology that the SW universe does not possess, including, among other things, Transporters, medical tech, and superior Cloaking tech. The ships are smaller and much more manuverable then Wars ships


Con's, Lower powered weapons is the first thing that comes to mind with trek (but the manuverability of the starships cancels that problem out).


Technology wise, if you go to the bare esentials of both universes tech there would be little difference at all. So in the end it would be up in the air who would win in a fight between the two forces.


Oh and Ch33355, you keep on going on and on about the superior numbers that the SW universe has in these Trek vs Wars threads, but in reality didn't the far greater numbered Empire get its butt kicked by the lower numbered Rebels, also didn't that same empire get its butt handed to it by a group of oversized primative teddy bears? Size means nothing if you have good tactics and a will to win.


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Report this Oct. 16 2010, 2:01 pm

Watch this and you shall seek thee answers of the universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHU_Diab-FQ

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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 12:03 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Oct. 16 2010, 11:14 am

The Empire would easily lose, because most of its officers and soldiers are incompetent. Watch the movies: it's all right there on the screen, from stormtroopers who can't shoot straight to starship pilots who crash into each other.
Ahh the stormtroopers cant shoot straight and yet the time people mention is when the stormtroopers were ORDERED NOT TO LET THE HEROES ESCAPE.

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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 12:24 am

Well lets see how to desconstruct this properly.


 


Star Wars: First off the pro's, they do have much bigger ships, as well as more powerful weapons then trek does (nothing that anyone on Treks side can truely argue against this point, sorry), as well as starfighters that can swarm and destroy an enemy ship.  You forgot numbers and industrial capability.


Con's, Their technology seems to have reached the limit of what it is able to accomplish (i mean 10,000 years with very little advancement in any field is just pathetic). The bigger ships are more of a disadvantage then an advatage as they are slow moveing and just offer a huge target. On top of that Imperial fighters are basically death traps as they have no sheilding of any type to protect the pilot.  Yeah and how much has trek really improved over three hundred years.  BTW show evidence they didn't have any major advances in 10,000 years.  And bigger ships may be bigger targets but can take more damage that way.  Also they are not slow moving given that in ROTJ we see the impreal fleet hiding behind the moon come around Endor to trap the Rebel fleet with in a 5 to ten minute window.


 


Star Trek: Pro's, they do have technology that the SW universe does not possess, including, among other things, Transporters, medical tech, and superior Cloaking tech. The ships are smaller and much more manuverable then Wars ships  Most of the technological advantages Trek has will not help them in battle.  Transpoters are stopped easily by shields, jamming, bad weather, high ionizatin in the air, rocks, odd magnetic fields, or whatever.  There cloaking tech isn't that much better Trek as one they can not fired cloaked where Wars ships can.  We have established in Star Trek 6 that cloaked ships can be tracked by drive emissions Wars sensors can already track cloaked ships by drive emissions.  The trek ships may be smaller than star Destoryers but there are many ships of similar size that are just as manuerverable so not really as much of an advatange.  Besides even if they are more manerverable it isn't that much nor are Trek ships anywere close to the manuvevrablity of Wars fighers, which turrents that were no designed to hit them were only barely missing them, meaning Wars gunners will have no trouble hitting them.


 


Con's, Lower powered weapons is the first thing that comes to mind with trek (but the manuverability of the starships cancels that problem out).  Sorry they are just not that manuverable to make up for the lack of fire power.  Trek ships are the size of some of the medium to small Wars capital ships and are about as manuerverable. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/Maneuver1.html a good analysis of Trek manuervablity.


 


Technology wise, if you go to the bare esentials of both universes tech there would be little difference at all. So in the end it would be up in the air who would win in a fight between the two forces.  Um actually one has all the technological advantages in military power the other has the techonolgical advatages in civilian comfort and you some how think this makes them equal strength.


 


Oh and Ch33355, you keep on going on and on about the superior numbers that the SW universe has in these Trek vs Wars threads, but in reality didn't the far greater numbered Empire get its butt kicked by the lower numbered Rebels, also didn't that same empire get its butt handed to it by a group of oversized primative teddy bears? Size means nothing if you have good tactics and a will to win.  The Empire lost one major battle in which the Emperor died thus causing the Emprie to collapse in upon is self by the Emperors design.  Oh and the rebels have one advatange that Trek does not an equal level of technology.  The teddy bear argument, yes we have couple hundred guys at least up to a couple thousand guys at most overwhelmed by hundreds of thousands of teddy bears and you say numbers mean nothing hahahahahahaha.


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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 12:26 am

Quote: 33voyager @ Oct. 16 2010, 2:01 pm

Watch this and you shall seek thee answers of the universe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHU_Diab-FQ
Oh not this again. This was beaten into the ground long ago and I am in no way going to dig that back up

Camorite

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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 11:10 am

You forgot numbers and industrial capability


Big deal the dominon had the same advantage and it didn't help them. Besides it still takes years for a ship to be built in the SW universe, just like in the Trek Universe.


 Yeah and how much has trek really improved over three hundred years.  BTW show evidence they didn't have any major advances in 10,000 years.  And bigger ships may be bigger targets but can take more damage that way.  Also they are not slow moving given that in ROTJ we see the impreal fleet hiding behind the moon come around Endor to trap the Rebel fleet with in a 5 to ten minute window.


Lets see they went from being a culture on the brink of destruction to being the central planet of the UFP in less then a hundred years. I know that it isn't technology but it is still impressive.


Next, i will admit that i was a little off on the years, but if you are truely a fan of Star Wars then then you would have read the Tales of the Jefi comics, which are still canon. They clearly show that, reletivly speaking at least, that they have advanced very little in 4000 years.


Lastly, i was refering to their manuverability speed in battle, which is pretty much standing still  compared to a fast moving ship, not thier cruiseing speed.


 Transpoters are stopped easily by shields, jamming, bad weather, high ionizatin in the air, rocks, odd magnetic fields, or whatever.


Won's argue about natural occurances, but jamming and shields have to be calibrated to block transporters, which since most trek ships have transporters themselves, are already calibrated to stop.


There cloaking tech isn't that much better Trek as one they can not fired cloaked where Wars ships can.  We have established in Star Trek 6 that cloaked ships can be tracked by drive emissions Wars sensors can already track cloaked ships by drive emissions.There cloaking tech isn't that much better Trek as one they can not fired cloaked where Wars ships can.  We have established in Star Trek 6 that cloaked ships can be tracked by drive emissions Wars sensors can already track cloaked ships by drive emissions.


You seem to forget that Wars cloaks have a serious flaw in them and that is that anyone inside the cloak is compleatly blind to what is happening outside the feild, unlike Trek cloaks, which are able to see outside of the fields. you are also forgetting that Shinorzs ship in Nemesis had the ability to fire while cloaked, and he would be smart enough to fix that perticular problem. Next you seem to be forgetting about the phasing cloak that the Federation developed a working prototype for. Finally where is it stated that the Empire can detect cloak? in Empire Strikes Back, they didn't seem to have this ability when they thought that the Falcon could cloak.


 Sorry they are just not that manuverable to make up for the lack of fire power.  Trek ships are the size of some of the medium to small Wars capital ships and are about as manuerverable.


They are far more manuverable in battle then a star destroyer is. After all trek ships as designed for ship to ship battles, where Wars ships need fighters to help them in battle.


Technology wise, if you go to the bare esentials of both universes tech there would be little difference at all. So in the end it would be up in the air who would win in a fight between the two forces.  Um actually one has all the technological advantages in military power the other has the techonolgical advatages in civilian comfort and you some how think this makes them equal strength.


Ummm, you need to reread what i said, and that is on the essentials they are the same. Of course they developed differently, but at the same time those diffences could be the advantage for the Trek Universe. For example, equip a Defiant Class ship, or a Klingon Bird of Prey, with a phasing cloak, and they can go into any capital ship, decloak, gut the ship with their phasers/disruptors and torpedos, recloak, and get out with little to no damage.


The Empire lost one major battle in which the Emperor died thus causing the Emprie to collapse in upon is self by the Emperors design.  Oh and the rebels have one advatange that Trek does not an equal level of technology.  The teddy bear argument, yes we have couple hundred guys at least up to a couple thousand guys at most overwhelmed by hundreds of thousands of teddy bears and you say numbers mean nothing


Correct me if i am wrong here, but the Emporer was still alive and well when a legion of this best troops got thier butts handed to them by those teddy bears, or when Wedge and Lando entered the Death Star 2 to blow the main reactor (and technically, acording to the Dark Empire books, he wasn't even dead then). Plus on top of that Trek officers (of whatever race) don't need to be helped in order to do thier duty, they recieve the right training from the start. That is not to say that they are all perfect, but they are also not so clumbsy that they need a phycotic old man to bring them together.


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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 3:52 pm

I was thinking that we are constantly talking about a battle between Star Wars and Star Trek, but we never really look at the histories of the two cultures, in an attemt to see which one is the better culture at keeping the peace.


First off lets look at the Star Wars Universe:
1) 4000 years ago they had the First Jedi/Sith War (not sure what happened over the next 4000 years, so i will skip ahead)
2) The Clone wars, or as it should be called the second Jedi/Sith war, as the entre war was a plot by the Sith to overthrow the Jedi. This war led to the downfall of the Republic and the start of the Empire
3) The Empire/Rebelion or Empire/New Repubic (Or NR)war. This one started between 15 qne 20 years after the Clone Wars ended and lasted for over 20 years.
4) The NR/Duskin League War. A minor war in the SW universe, but still a war all the same. Took place during the final years of the Empire/NR war.
5) the Yuuzhan Vong War. this war lasted for about 5 to 6 years in which the battered New Republic was reformed into the Galactic Alliance (or GA).
6) The Dark Nest War. 10 years after the Yuuzhan Vong War ended. Another minor war in the SW universe, but a defining one all the same
7) GA Civil War. Aproximaty 4 to 5 years after the Dark Nest. Yet anoher Civil War, aided by a Sith, tears apart the GA.
8) possible Jedi/Sith war 3. not long after the Civil War ended. (NOTE i have not had a chance to actually read this latest series yet, so i can not go into details about it).


In all there has been about, maybe, 25 years of peace (not counting the time between the first two Jedi/Sith wars) in all in a period of about 60 years. Now i know it is called Star Wars, but that is still not a good track record. Now onto Star Trek:


1) Xindi Conflict, Mid 22nd century. Not really a war as Earth never declared war on the Xindi, and the Xindi helped to stop the final atack on Earth.
2) Earth/Romulan War, mid to late 22nd Century. Details are fuzzy about the perticulares of this war though it obviously happened within 5 years of the Xindi Conflict
3) Federation/Klingon War, mid 23rd century. Not really a war as the Organians never allowed the two sides to truely fight it out. This was ended in the lte 23rd century with the signing of the first Khitomer Accords.
4) Federation/Cardassian conflict, early to mid 24th century. Again not a true war as it was more over boarder disputes then anything else. Lasted 20 years.
5) Klingon Conflict, Late 24th Century. fearing a dominion attack the Kingons withdraw from the second Khitomer Accords and attack the Cardassians. Ended when Cardassians did join the Dominon
6) Dominon War, a few months after the Klingon Conflict. A war between the Dominon and the Federation/Klingon/Romulan alliance. Lasted approximatly 2 to 3 years.
(NOTE if i missed anything let me know, and yes id did leave out the Klingon Civil war as it didn't involve the Federation in the primary struggle.)


In the end nither side has been able to avoid war, but Star Trek has done a much better job of avoiding it then Star Wars has.


NOTE: This was changed from my original post, so anyone that is linking to this should change their replies accordingly. don't have to but it is recommended.


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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 4:28 pm

Quote: Camorite @ Oct. 17 2010, 3:52 pm

In the end niether side is perfect, though i would side of the side of trek as in 400 years they have had only 3 r 4 all out wars, while Star Wars have had nothing but war. So in my opinion Trek is the superior culture.



The only reason Star wars was all out war is becuase they had too much peace. The senate had pretty much every major system so when it got taken over there was little to oppose them. The alpha quadrant has 4 major powers in the tng era and they are all autonomous so they could never get full control and they were never all on the same side until the end of the dominion war.

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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 4:47 pm

star trek woot

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Report this Oct. 17 2010, 5:18 pm

The only reason Star wars was all out war is becuase they had too much peace. The senate had pretty much every major system so when it got taken over there was little to oppose them. The alpha quadrant has 4 major powers in the tng era and they are all autonomous so they could never get full control and they were never all on the same side until the end of the dominion war.


Ok first off, how the hell can you have too much peace?


Second, who opposed them?


lastly, up to the time that they decided to invade Cardassia the Klingons were allies of the Federation (which would put up to haf of the known Alpha/Beta quadrants under the control of the Federation and its allies). I can only assume that you are refering to the Romulans and Cardassians with the other two, and they weren't much of a superpower after the Klingons invaded them.


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