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T’Pol’s Body

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 13 2010, 1:54 pm


I think Blalock is a terrific actress, same as Jeri Ryan, but was she cast primarily to get the sex appeal and ratings 7 of 9 delivered to Voyager? Let’s be honest, she was far more curvy than any other Vulcan ever portrayed and seemed un-Vulcan in form.

2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 13 2010, 2:33 pm

Hoshi was the "Maryanne"
and T'Pol was definitely
the "Ginger". Jolene's
an Alpha Babe which means
universal sex appeal. And
whenever ENTERPRISE was
sagging in the ratings, she
was there to take her top off.
For being so delicious, she does
have a little bit of talent, I'll
admit - I was surprised. Unfortunately,
she was in a show that didn't know how
- or just plain didn't want - to capitolize
on it. But what delicious eyecandy she is ...

grigori

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Report this Oct. 13 2010, 7:01 pm

Why not her body the original impetus for her casting? Bakula's practically contracted in every role he gets to take his shirt off. So at least with ENT we ladies got eye-candy, too!


Television IS a visual medium; it'd be nuts to have a Ryan or Blalock and NOT put them in catsuits. Same way it'd be crazy to hire Bakula and not have him take off his shirt.


But Trek is smart and DID give us compelling actors who were up to the job, and who drew us in on a personal level. Anyone with half a brain saw beyond the eye-candy and appreciated dynamic, organic characters with sometimes intense stories. Ryan did a great job in an unprecedented character, someone coming back after a lifetime of being Borg. And Blalock was a fantastic Vulcan, ever-so-subtly conveying the finest of nuances with her eyes and expressions.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 4:51 am

In TOS, the ladies had some amazing clothes. They are my grandmother's age now but I still find those reruns hot. But trek has set a precedence for vulcans- skinny and robe-like attire. If they wanted a voluptuous character, they should have cast hoshi or the alien doctor that way (blalock in nurse outfit) but Tpol should have been cast with Hoshi's build and her clothes more robe-like (not a bath robe 2takes). 7 could be the way she was cause she was human and her clothing was efficient (lol).

It also bothered me when Tpol would counsel the captain of how he was getting too wound up due to lack of sex. Well duh, he's in a small room with you in a body suit! You're part of the problem, sista.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 9:51 am

But you're missing the point, isn't her appearance decidedly non-vulcan? Wouldn't you agree she is not of standard vulcan build or costume and doesn't match the established look?

I won't debate her hotness or that sex appeal gets actors work.

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 10:18 am

I agree, MR. They chose to clad Jolene in a form-fitting outfit in the earlier seasons, and then even after, maintained the jumpsuits. Of course, guess you could argue that, being neither an official member of Starfleet, nor a serving officer in the Vulcan Command, she was straddling two worlds, and required an independent look...which even so, might have been rendered otherwise. But, did Jolene look fetching in her outfits?Can't deny that!


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 10:53 am

But Vulcans also traditionally wear robes, not body suits. I would even say a skimpy bath robe would be more in line with traditional vulcan fashion.

Kesfan74656

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 10:57 am

Sure. I don't think that it would have been necessary to attire her in that sort of outfit, from an in-universe believeability standpoint. I think, looking back, that I've had trhe notion of her being so dressed was a bit off. I'm sure the network was all for the mode of dress chosen.


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 11:44 am

But Vulcans also traditionally wear robes, not body suits. I would even say a skimpy bath robe would be more in line with traditional vulcan fashion.


I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say Matthias Russell,
but it appears you want it acknowledged that T'Pol wasn't dressed
as T'Pol "logically" would, but rather as a lecherous producer would
dress up Jolene Blalock in. Well, OK ...so entered. Yes, that's what's
up. But just to remind you of two things, having said that:


1) ENTERPRISE wasn't even called STAR TREK and wasn't intended to be.
The makers of it just wanted to play in the universe STAR TREK made up.
So considerations like, "what would a Vulcan officer wear, if she wanted
to command respect," never entered into the equation.


2) While robes are certainly part and parcel of Vulcan fashion,
even those have been transparent, as the T'Lar Girls of STAR TREK: III
demonstrated, and none of those Vulcan priestesses bothered to wear a bra.
Also, the first female Vulcan - in her reproductive years - that audiences
got a good look at was T'Pring. She was a young woman of some clout who had
on a Vegas Showgirl outfit, sans feathered boa and plumes! Thank god, good
taste prevailed. So, I'm not sure quite what's your angle, but there it is.


Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 12:22 pm

Good 'logical' arguments frakes and yanks.

grigori

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 6:05 pm

Ah, Yanks & 2Takes beat me to it--our first young female Vulcan, T'Pring, wasn't exactly robe-clad either. T'Pol WAS, first time we meet her, when her assignment made robes appropriate. But as Yanks pointed out, her job in security had her--and all males/females alike--wearing the more appropriate "simple" clothing similar to what she wore for duty on Enterprise.


Vulcan dress never was all that homogeneous, just as it's a myth that all Vulcans have the same personality. And I think the Vulcans were smart enough to know the negative message it would send the humans, having their "planted" Vulcan on the NX-01 bridge in full dress robes "observing".


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tishkajaku

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 6:11 pm

Also, the other Vulcans serving on their starships had fitted clothing, even in Carbon Creek.  Seems logical to be in this type of job in streamlined clothes rather than robes, which would get in the way in tense situations.


One other thought that came to me during the season was that the clothing T'Pol wore was thermal in nature (looks like that type of material) to help keep her warmer on the cooler than comfortable for a Vulcan human starship.    Most thermal clothing I have is also fitted, so this seemed natural.  The style follows the ones worn by male Vulcans, they do not neet the thermal cloth due to being on their temperature friendly ship, naturally. 


TRIP:I'm only kidding. You look nice like this. Kind of like an old oil painting. T'POL:I'm not old. I will only be sixty six years old on my next birthday. TRIP:I can't believe you told me that. T'POL:You accused me of looking old. TRIP:That's not what I mean. I've been trying to get you to tell me your age since we left Spacedock. Why now? T'POL:To Vulcans, certain information is considered intimate. TRIP:Intimate?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 15 2010, 4:15 am

The need for thermal garments is an excellent point. Vulcans would wear robes because Vulcan it is so hot, but since human ships are probably kept in the mid 70s F range, they would need clothes to keep them warmer same as she needed odor suppressants. I am definitely sold on the clothing issue, but still think she had more T & A than I would expect from a vulcan.

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 3:49 pm

Was JB good looking sure, but I do not think that was the only reason she was cast.   I think she filled the role very well and gave it her own mark outside the way she looked.


Pretty much all actors and actresses are cast at least some part on their looks.  I remember reading once that they wanted someone else to fill the role of Trip because the big shots did not think he looked good enough, I really do not understand that due to I thought CT looked ok (but as a straight guy it is sometimes difficult for me figuring out what women like) but B&B insisted they stick with him (a good decision on their part).


As for Vulcan woman looking like sticks, if my memory serves me right T’Pring Spock’s betrothed from TOS had some definite curves, so I do not think that is a valid argument.

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Report this Oct. 21 2010, 6:20 pm

Agreed, dbear. They've had plenty of Vulcans in the other Trek series who weren't in robes, either. The female Vulcan selling arms to Quark was pretty sexy. Other female Vulcans, maybe not so much--V'Lar in ENT's Fallen Hero was older and "fluffier".

I accept that television is a visual medium and eye candy figures into the mix. But Blalock as well as Trinneer gave a lot of depth to their characters as well--when writers decided to allow them to expand beyond "eye candy" and "comic relief".

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