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Homosexuality in Star Trek

Reedworftripparis

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Report this Nov. 01 2011, 7:08 am

Janeway gay? NO way. Just because she was the first female captian to lead a starship in a series (remember there were other captians that were female before her but were did not have their own series) that was typically led by males does not make her homosexual. She to me portrayed a strong woman who did show her weaker side with indecision and would not admit when they were wrong. But a lot of male captians would do the same.


Sisko and Picard no way either. Archer, no way.


Kirk and Riker were your typical signs of the times men as it was the 60s and late 80s and early 90s for their shows. Any other cast members I would say I didn't have any feeling for any of them being homosexual with the exception of Garak of DS9. 


I read some of the earlier posts and someone said that in the time Trek takes place, homosexuality would be accepted and not a big deal anymore, I tend to agree. Like it wasn't a big deal with half human and half whatever species you want to add in there mating and having chilren. It was accepted. It was accepted to see different aliens for the most part on a space station or star ship....not Romulans or the Borg for example. But that was based on the fact that we were not allies with them, we were "at war" or trying to avoid one with them.  Or right after the Enterprise came back from defeating the Xindi and Malcolm and Travis got into a fight with some guys because they were harassing Phlox. 


Things seem to be accepted more openly and freely. The way it should be. As long as you are a good person I don't care what you like or don't like, who  you are or what religion. Treat others right and that's the bottom line. In the Trek future, that is what it all comes down to. 


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OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 02 2011, 6:53 pm

Quote: Reedworftripparis @ Nov. 01 2011, 7:08 am

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>Janeway gay? NO way. 

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I'd be more inclined to say "Not necessarily".


Apart from that she had a boyfriend (and lots of little salamander babies... just had to go there) the idea of her being gay might not be an impossibility. But again, I agree with you to the extent of "not necessarily" -- her personality as a strong, no-nonsense female is no evidence that she is a lesbian.


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Reedworftripparis

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Report this Nov. 03 2011, 9:44 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Nov. 02 2011, 6:53 pm

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>Janeway gay? NO way. 

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I'd be more inclined to say "Not necessarily".


I am just more inclined to say no way because look at the way she looked at Chakotay. There was lust in those eyes more than once. And I think her relationship with Seven was one of a mother/daughter type thing. But I can see how and why some would say yes or maybe. I just feel that she was not in any way, she never got involved with a man on the ship because that was not the proper thing to do in her mind. 


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OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 03 2011, 8:58 pm

The exception to this is in the Mirror Universe in DS9.


...And that utterly terrible Rejoined episode. I will add that one thing I liked about the mirror universe is that they didn't make a big deal about characters being gay. It was never a case of "Look how PC we can be."


And I think her relationship with Seven was one of a mother/daughter type thing.


Me too. That, or a mentor / prodige. In any case there was nothing romantic, sexual, or even desirous about it.


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Report this Nov. 04 2011, 11:45 pm

The only real problem that I ever saw with Slash (apart from seeming slightly OOC.) was that I have always been slightly bored with the assumption that two people in a close relationship can't simply be good friends -- not without some kind of romantic implication. And that goes for Het. as well. But now I would still say each to their own. I really do like seeing close friendships in drama more than I like seeing romantic pairings.


 


@Servalan: I think you've covered the basic popular slash pairings.


I've also seen instances of Bashir/O'Brien, Dukat/Weyoun, McCoy/Spock (go figure), Picard/just about anyone, and I have absolutely no doubt there are others.


I agree with you about Seven. She always seemed to me to be quite asexual even with the catsuit and all.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 06 2011, 8:25 pm

Oh that guy. I don't know if he was gay but he was very camp. (Actually he kind of reminds me a bit of something cross between Cyrano Jones and the trans-sexual character whose name escapes me! from Rocky Horror Picture Show.) I think he treated Data like an interesting new action figure.


Chekov and Sulu in movie...? hmm.... I guess they both looked quite young, which might have something to do with it. I don't think that self-sacrifice for one's love comes across as less altruistic than otherwise, but I sort of see where you're coming from. I really like to see friendships portrayed on telly that don't spill over into romances.


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