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Homosexuality in Star Trek

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 13 2010, 1:50 pm

So we've discussed this plenty in other threads, let's just focus it here so other conversations don't get off topic.  Has Star Trek under represented the issue of homosexuality, made a joke of it, made people think about it in a round about way or ignored it?  Were some characters "in the closet?"  Did any representations of it enlighten or offend you?  Would Riker have a relationship with an asexual?  Was Janeway lesbian for 7 of 9?  Was it weird that Ezri was straight but mirror Ezri was gay? 


 


Discuss it here.  Be respectful and tasteful.  (MR said that?  I know, right!)

2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 13 2010, 2:36 pm

Janeway was very butch ... and
Yes, they tried to show her with
occassional boyfriends, but come on!
I never was fooled by that, for a second ...
and neither was the audience!

Kesfan74656

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Report this Oct. 13 2010, 3:18 pm

No freaking way on gay Janeway, end of subject! Geez....


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UNTRugby

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 5:32 am

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Why pick on Janeway? At least she had more success with the opposite sex than Archer or Picard did. As long as you count holographic people and alien drugged out situatins.



Picard got laid during TNG janeway didnt

OtakuJo

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 5:34 am

Great! Janeway doesn't fit the STEREOTYPICAL feminine model. She is a no-nonsense leader and a woman in sci-fi who is not "fantasy model" for some slobbering, over-masturbating fanboys, and therefore she must be gay. Is that it?

(rolls eyes)

btw. Which slash couple are you mentioning Servalan? Kirk-Spock? I'm just curious.

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Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 5:34 am

No way Janeway was a lesbian. You could tell in the pilot by the way she talked with Mark. If they wanted her lesbian, it would gave been a girlfriend in that episode. Besides, she was their first female captain, I think it would have been kind of insulting to women if the first female captain wasn't very feminine.

Also remember, homosexuality has only started gaining main steam acceptance in the years since we haven't had a series on tv, so of course producers minimized the issue then. Star Trek tries to be subtle in social issues, ro make people think instead of pushing a viewpoint.

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 5:51 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Oct. 14 2010, 5:34 am

I think it would have been kind of insulting to women if the first female captain wasn't very feminine.


I think its insulting that the first woman captain was a walking stereotype, couldn't make up her mind, went into a depression, and never would admit she was wrong in an argument.

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 6:08 am

I think that homosexuality, by the time of the 23rd and 24th century, would be as accepted and commonplace as people with different eye colors.

I think Star Trek has realistically downplayed the issue, because it would not BE an issue in that world. To make a big deal out of it in an episode or movie would fly in the face of that philosophy.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 6:15 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Oct. 14 2010, 6:08 am

I think Star Trek has realistically downplayed the issue, because it would not BE an issue in that world. To make a big deal out of it in an episode or movie would fly in the face of that philosophy.


Yeah. Good point. That's kind of why I still like the way it was treated in the M.U. because no-one made a very big deal when characters like Ezri or Leeta (in mirror) turned out to be gay.

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2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 6:15 am

Having a female captain is a very bad idea.
Never entrust a creature that PMS's with the
firepower at the disposal of a starship ...

OtakuJo

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 6:18 am

I know you're just trying to get a rise out of someone with those sexist comments, Frakes but it's not going to work.

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2takesfrakes

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 6:37 am

I wouldn't dream of it, OtakuJo!

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 10:36 am

I'm with Vger also. It would be a non issue in the future as morality standards change.

So what about Ezri and Leeta being mirror lesbians, doesn't that fly in the face of ' I was born this way' and support that it's a learned behavior? Shouldn't it be said that the person's orientation would be the same in both universes?

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Report this Oct. 14 2010, 1:22 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Oct. 14 2010, 5:34 am

> Besides, she was their first female captain, I think it would have been kind of insulting to women if the first female captain wasn't very feminine.


No reason lesbians can't be feminine, is there?


I agree with vger23 about homosexuality being a non-issue in the 23rd/24th centuries. No one, at least no human, should mind. However, that doesn't mean we wouldn't see any gay characters anywhere. We've seen plenty of straight characters, and plenty of heterosexual relationships, but no gay ones. Even if it wouldn't be a major issue and source of conflict, why would it be absent entirely?


Matthias -- Mirror Ezri and Leeta were gay because it was the mirror universe. Everything's opposite, remember?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 15 2010, 5:03 am

So has the present acceptance of homosexuality in the world gotten to the point you would expect a new tv series (produced by CBS) to feature homosexual characters and make light of it in a main character? The books all have homosexual characters now. In Kobayashi Maru, they slipped in that general grall was gay for no reason other than to do it. Titan discusses homosexual relationships regularly. But even though the books have gotten quite liberal, I don't think tv would do it because producers wouldn't want to drive away the conservative audience.

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