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How did they get the enterprise in orbit?

Jim Kirk

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Report this Oct. 02 2010, 6:06 am

I was wondering about the enterprise in the new movie, the ship was being built on the ground (I thought or assumed it was built in space).  How did they get it into orbit?


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Kesfan74656

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Report this Oct. 02 2010, 9:51 am

Maybe she has the capability to break Earth's gravity well on her own power. In ''Tomorrow is Yesterday'' Scotty was able to keep 1701 in a suborbital position, if with effort. Of course, the ship in this case is grounded,,shrug. Again, no physics expert. Tugs I'd imagine would be a possible means; take a couple and tractor her to orbit, or to a sufficient altitude until thrustering into orbit....But, would generating a basic subspace field with her warp core do what is necessary to decrease gravitational pull, and facilitate lift? Anyway, she looks impressive, Jim staring up ar her from ground level. From a dramatic perspective, this has a desired effect in terms of him finishing what Pike started in the bar talk...


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Dendodge

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Report this Oct. 02 2010, 10:05 am

Since ships have been ordered to avoid utilising warp drive while in the solar system (see Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and others), a subspace field seems unlikely.

Impulse drive could also be dangerous so close to settlements (IIRC, it had something to do with nuclear explosions or something).

Therefore, one must conclude that they either used manoeuvring thrusters or had the ship towed into orbit by another vessel (I'm sure they have plenty of ships with enough power to tow an empty Enterprise that relatively small distance).

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Report this Oct. 02 2010, 10:44 am

Oh, well. I was definitely aware of the prohibition of engaging a warp jump of any kind inside a planet's gravity well;that much Trekscience I am familiar with, but, shrug, guess that's true as well, I dunno.


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Report this Oct. 02 2010, 1:00 pm

It's not too hard to imagine towing vehicles of some type lifting the completed ship into orbit.
More likely how ever is that while the ship was built in it's entirety on the ground (something about balancing and tuning the warp engines in a gravity field of a planet) it is still imaginable that the ship was taken into orbit in sections where final assembly took place.

Vger23

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Report this Oct. 02 2010, 8:09 pm

They disassembled it, and then reassembled in in space.

Obviously.

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MichaelRiker

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Report this Oct. 03 2010, 7:48 am

I have no clue and no desire to really find out. Just chalk it up to lazy writing that Orci and Kurtzman probably planned to have the movie goers come up with their own idea. It would have been at least interesting to see just how technologically evolved (as past Star Treks have showed visually) the human race could be. Oh, I guess that was part of Roddenberry's TREK, but this is Abrams....ssiigghhh

WkdYngMan

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Report this Oct. 03 2010, 2:04 pm

I have no clue and no desire to really find out. Just chalk it up to lazy writing that Orci and Kurtzman probably planned to have the movie goers come up with their own idea. It would have been at least interesting to see just how technologically evolved (as past Star Treks have showed visually) the human race could be. Oh, I guess that was part of Roddenberry's TREK, but this is Abrams....ssiigghhh


Here you had an opportunity to be POSITIVE (as you were advised before) and discuss the possible ways, but you, yet again, turned it into another "Bash Trek XI" post.  Discuss the ways as the OP asked for.


BTW, it wasn't part of "Roddenberry's Trek" either.  Roddenberry's writers guide for TOS stated that explanations for details on how things worked like that were not necessary and weren't needed in the story.  His example was along the lines of The Lone Ranger and how he doesn't take time out of an episode and discuss the mechanics of how a gun works, they just merely shot with it, so it wasn't necessary to do similar things in Trek.

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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 9:57 am

I don't think building it on the surface is a bad idea - thrusters and tractor beams should be enough to get it into orbit, and Starfleet has a number of ships capable of taking off and landing - maybe the Abrams Enterprise is one of these, or they attach take-off thrusters to the saucer section temporarily or something.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 12:13 am

Orci came up with a stammering story about gravity wells and such, but no one really bought it.


I know of the explanation, "no one really bought it" is probably unfair to the fans who did entertain the idea.


It's left to your own imagination how the ship got into orbit where it should have been built in the first place.


There weren't any issues with it being built on the ground (regardless of personal opinion for or against,) so whether or not it should have been built on Earth or in space is moot as end the end it was built on the ground and caused no issue for the ship or for most of the audience.  It would have seemed a little unlikely that Kirk was going to get a shuttle and take a long ride up just to see the Enterprise in space, but they wanted Kirk to be able to see it at first.  This was going to be the best solution.  It's emotional impact was more important than fanwash technical details (and I'm sure someone is going to proclaim "It failed," but tell that to the audience who might think otherwise.)

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 11:06 am

I thought it was obvious how starfleet did it, they built it from scratch but in diffrent places. The primary hull was built in the naval yards on earth and the secondary hull in dry dock then they were joined together!

A phaser and a commincator in my uniform trouser pocket and a transporter lock home to enterprise(A)

Dendodge

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 12:10 pm

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Which brings up another issue: By the time Starfleet/Federation had replicator tech, why not just build a drydock ringed with massive industrial replicator units and just replicate a starship.

The energy requirements would be immense, and sometimes - even in the future - people just don't trust computers with some things. Besides, it doesn't make a very good story.

draeden06

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 12:33 pm

If the Enterprise can pull away from a black hole's gravity well under her own power, then climbing up through the atmosphere of Earth should be no problem.

draeden06

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 3:49 pm

I don't know, draeden, watch the first few minutes of "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" and see if it's easy for a starship to climb through Earth's atmosphere.


 The Enterprise was damaged from pulling away from a black hole, so they had trouble getting out of first gear.


 Even the Estes model rocket needed a silly extension probe to make the model more balanced for atmospheric flight.


That's for a toy. The real Enterprise would have had deflector shields to push the atmosphere away from the ship to make it more aerodynamic. If the deflector shields weren't working due to damage, that might have been part of the problem in TIY. A newly launched starship wouldn't have had those problems unless the deflector shields weren't being installed until Tuesday.

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