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Author, Author

33voyager

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Report this Sep. 30 2010, 5:01 pm

I was wathching "Author,Author" last night and I was wondering: Would you have let the docter have the same rights as a human or make him have decisions made for him and have no autonomisation?


Personally, I think that as long as he was capable of making these decisions, I would have approved of it.


What do YOU think?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 01 2010, 4:33 am

One of the basics of the trek world that roddenberry envisioned was freedom and justice and equality for everyone despite race, color, gender, or planet of origin. Look at the respect that was given to nano probes and the exocomps in tng. Even a tool is given rights if it is proven to have gained self awareness and sentience. So yes, the doctor deserved basic rights after he grew beyond his programing.

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Report this Oct. 01 2010, 11:23 am

author, author is a seriously funny ep. (i thought so anyway) i new the doc could be cocky but i didnt realise he was so full of himself, he was soo annoying lol...probably would approve on certain occasions.

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Report this Oct. 01 2010, 11:28 am

Quote: Princesss @ Oct. 01 2010, 11:23 am

author, author is a seriously funny ep. (i thought so anyway) i new the doc could be cocky but i didnt realise he was so full of himself, he was soo annoying lol...probably would approve on certain occasions.

Yeah. The doctor does have a pretty big ego but thts why we love him Robert Picardo did a great job in Author,Author And your right, it was a funny ep. I got a good laugh from it.

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Report this Feb. 22 2011, 10:18 pm

I would have certainly entitled him to the same rights as organic beings, but I wouldn't even let an organic being publish such a blatantly innaccurate and, in my opinion, slightly disrespectful holonovel.


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willowtree

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Report this Feb. 23 2011, 5:20 am

We think of the doctor as a "real" person because he's one of the main charcters, you got to know him, connect with him. But the bottom line question you have to ask, is her merealy a program that resembles a true individual or is he indeed a sentient being. In the case of the doctor, there  have  been times where he's acted against  his programming, so I would lean towards granting him legal status as a person


But I can see how that can open a whole can of worms. Does that for example mean now that ALL of the EMH mark 1s are declared sentient? they're all identicle right? same programming and such. Or do none of them have that spark, whatever it was that made the doctor special.


And then what about every other hologram out there. Let's say that I have a holographic friend that I created for myself, could I then go demand that my friend be granted that same status?


And....do you think  you could REALLY tell the difference between true sencience and an incredibly well written program?

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Report this Feb. 23 2011, 12:51 pm

It's a difficult question, but I think the basic litmus test around which more specific, case-based complications should be considered is whether the holo-personality acts outside its program (which side steps the most difficult question, which is whether or not a hologram can be programmed to make autonomous decisions).


When the publisher in "Author, Author" compares the doctor's production of Photons Be Free to a replicator's production of coffee, Tuvok responds that a replicator cannot do some of the more complex things the doctor can.  I'm not sure exactly what point Tuvok is trying to make, but he completely misses the more obvious counterargument.  A replicator produces coffee when directly commanded/instructed to do so by some other entity.  It creates, but not autonomously.  By contrast, the doctor created Photons Be Free autonomously, like a sentient artist, because no programmer or user of the program directly instructed him to do so.  At best, his programmers designed him to be capable of demonstrating that kind of autonomy, but then, a genetic engineer could design an organic life form with autonomy, and the life form would still be considered sentient and autonomous, independent of its creator.


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Report this Feb. 23 2011, 7:05 pm

I think the whole series encourages the viewer to sympathize with the doctor, just as we are lead to sympathize with Data in TNG. I love the doctor's character- so in the context of the show- i would say: yes, let him make the decision. But, if it were real life I'm not so sure.... it's just a matter of time...

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Report this Feb. 24 2011, 10:10 pm

I liked this ep because it was similar to "Measure of a Man" in TNG. It was funny, though, because like Princesss said, the Doctor doesn't realized how full of himself he is. :D, lol.


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willowtree

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Report this Feb. 25 2011, 3:21 am

There is definately a similarity between Author Author and Measure of a Man, but they were fighting for two different thing. Data was fighting to be considered more or less human. The doctor was just fighting to get his novel back.


However I'm surprised they didn't use Data as an example in their case

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Report this Feb. 25 2011, 5:12 am

He was obviously sentient so his authorship rights would have been granted, but then I feel the crew of Voyager should have sued him for defamation since his work was obviously based on real life people being smeared.


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Report this Feb. 25 2011, 8:04 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Oct. 01 2010, 4:33 am

>One of the basics of the trek world that roddenberry envisioned was freedom and justice and equality for everyone despite race, color, gender, or planet of origin. Look at the respect that was given to nano probes and the exocomps in tng. Even a tool is given rights if it is proven to have gained self awareness and sentience. So yes, the doctor deserved basic rights after he grew beyond his programing.


The writers conveniently forgot all this anytime they needed a story centered around the Doctor's humanity.


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