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How do weapons work at FTL speeds?

Matthias Russell

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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 6:37 am

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The Enterpirse D as far as I can remember only fired aft torpedoes at warp. What ENT episode are you referencing?

Its a moot point on that one, as TNG takes place 200 years after Enterprise, and that perticulare problem would have been long since fixed.



It wasn't fixed. All the shows did it.

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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 8:57 am

Camorite: Voy and the E-D i know fired torpedoes at ftl speeds. the E-E was fired on while at FTL speeds. I can't remember one for DS9 off the top of my head but I think there was one.


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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 11:51 am

The ship itself isn't technically moving FTL, isn't that the whole point of warp drive? Otherwise time would slow down for the crew, not to mention breaking the laws of physics. So I would say particle weapons should work.

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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 1:55 pm

I agree but I would think that there are some weakness in firing phasers at FTL. To explain why they don't fire at FTL much.


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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 7:55 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Oct. 04 2010, 6:37 am

Quote: Camorite @ Oct. 02 2010, 1:31 pm

The Enterpirse D as far as I can remember only fired aft torpedoes at warp. What ENT episode are you referencing?

Its a moot point on that one, as TNG takes place 200 years after Enterprise, and that perticulare problem would have been long since fixed.

It wasn't fixed. All the shows did it.


And where is it stated that that problem was never fixed?

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Report this Oct. 04 2010, 7:56 pm

Quote: SSFPhoenix @ Oct. 04 2010, 8:57 am

Camorite: Voy and the E-D i know fired torpedoes at ftl speeds. the E-E was fired on while at FTL speeds. I can't remember one for DS9 off the top of my head but I think there was one.



Yeah, i new that.

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 4:21 am

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>Torpedoes can be fired at warp not phasers, this was a mistake done in the original series which was corrected afterwards in the newer series.

 

 

There you go.

People who wrote TNG had no knowlege of the existing Star Trek universe ie TOS.

The same with the max speed of Warp 10. There were many episodes where the Enterprise went over Warp 10 in TOS. Yest somehow TPTB decided that they would rewrite Trek history.

When TNG did it, it was a 'correction' of the poorly developed TOS universe but if the new move did it in the AU universe it is considered very very bad.

 

Ummm, yuo do know that Roddenbury was highly involved with the production of TNG during its first few seasons, right?

Yes but he stated that TNG was now his favourite and he would decanonise TOS in favour of TNG.

Perhaps Abrams is decanonising TNG in favour of TOS now. See if you like them apples TNG fans.

OK I'm just joking (mostly) but I think GR had the attitude that the TOS days are gone and TNG now rules. OK if there weren't any TOS fans left.

The days of the Prime Universe are gone now so Abrams universe has priority. I agree it would have been way nicer if he stayed in canon but canon was strangling Trek and making it more and more geeky, or was it?



Well GR owned the franchise JJ is just working in it, TNG had a long term deal set up JJ is set with about 7 hours of screen time or about 10 episode lengths and JJ is a project hopper hes already got 4 other movies and 2 tv shows going right now to do before the ST sequel and thats only in a year and a half time. JJ still hasnt decided if hes going to even direct the trek sequel. So i wouldnt be toasting in the "abramsverse" just yet.

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 9:59 am

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>Torpedoes can be fired at warp not phasers, this was a mistake done in the original series which was corrected afterwards in the newer series.

 

 

There you go.

People who wrote TNG had no knowlege of the existing Star Trek universe ie TOS.

The same with the max speed of Warp 10. There were many episodes where the Enterprise went over Warp 10 in TOS. Yest somehow TPTB decided that they would rewrite Trek history.

When TNG did it, it was a 'correction' of the poorly developed TOS universe but if the new move did it in the AU universe it is considered very very bad.

 

Ummm, yuo do know that Roddenbury was highly involved with the production of TNG during its first few seasons, right?

Yes but he stated that TNG was now his favourite and he would decanonise TOS in favour of TNG.

Perhaps Abrams is decanonising TNG in favour of TOS now. See if you like them apples TNG fans.

OK I'm just joking (mostly) but I think GR had the attitude that the TOS days are gone and TNG now rules. OK if there weren't any TOS fans left.

The days of the Prime Universe are gone now so Abrams universe has priority. I agree it would have been way nicer if he stayed in canon but canon was strangling Trek and making it more and more geeky, or was it?

Well GR owned the franchise JJ is just working in it, TNG had a long term deal set up JJ is set with about 7 hours of screen time or about 10 episode lengths and JJ is a project hopper hes already got 4 other movies and 2 tv shows going right now to do before the ST sequel and thats only in a year and a half time. JJ still hasnt decided if hes going to even direct the trek sequel. So i wouldnt be toasting in the "abramsverse" just yet.
I'm not saying he 'deserves' to rewrite things but it has been done before in TNG and retconned in ENT. And basically we've got to move into the 21st century like TNG had to move into the 80s and not do the 60s things TOS did. AS for the firing phasers or torpedoes at FTL, perhaps they had a technobabble adjustment to do it. Perhaps it was developed in the Abrams' verse because of observations made on Nero's attack on the Kelvin. I figure they use torpedoes less than phasers because they've got a fixed supply of them, not that I can recall seeing them run out anywhere. Perhaps they can replicate them like they do everything in VOY.


I can understand breaking cannon in a series where you are on a deadline to come up with a brand new story each week. You end up with tings like transporters de aging people and junk like that but with lots of writers and time movies shouldnt have to rely on breaking cannon to make a good story.

I dont understand why they didnt use torpedoes all the time on TNG where they were never in long conflicts and were close to resupply places.

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Report this Oct. 05 2010, 10:41 am

Typically, energy weapons are issued against shields and torpedoes on an unprotected surface where the concussive impact does more harm. Another reason to use torpedoes at ftl speeds if you can, shields are down.

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Report this Oct. 06 2010, 8:16 am

Shields stay up on ST ships even when at FTL. See the borg cube chasing the E-D at FTL having to knock the E-D shields down.


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Report this Oct. 06 2010, 8:19 am

Which raises another question. How do you form a warp field and a shield bubble in the same space at the same time? I would think they would interfere.

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Report this Oct. 07 2010, 5:49 am

Not necessarily. For example, light passes from air to water but is bent. Star light is also bent by the sun's gravity. The warp field compresses and expands space time so shields could operate within but may be warped depending on the size of the field. I don't, however, see a force field being able to affect the continuity of space-time.

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