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Unlikely couple: Seven and Chakotay

Vulcan1981

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Report this Dec. 26 2011, 5:10 pm

Absolutely! And don't get me started with the Voyager novels...I just wanna cry.


"Comforting words. Use them next time instead of "resistance is futile". You may elicit a few volunteers."- Seven of Nine

spockdatadax

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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 4:56 pm

Seven and Chakotay are both gorgeous. But, like mentioned above, they didn't have any chemistry. In the relaunch novels, they broke it off, anyway. Chakotay still misses Janeway and emotionally went downhill when she "died." I hope they bring her back in the upcoming novel. Hopefully Janeway and Chakotay can reignite that spark that was certainly there (but never acted on). J/C chemistry...most definitely!!

Cpt. Sameway

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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 9:29 am

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IMO the C/7 pairing alientated a lot of very large fandoms: J/C, D/7 and J/7. What's interesting is that there's a multitude of fan fic and forums dedicated to these fandoms that has kept them alive longer than if C/7 hadn't happened. Kind of reminds me of New Coke.

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It is interesting. I am a diehard J/Cer too (and probably rant about it too much, lol) but while I think C/7 was a slap in the face to all the fandoms mentioned, and I will always regret that it happened because J/C meant a lot to me, it's certainly true that we wouldn't have as many great J/C fics had they got together in the end.

It's truly a case of something good coming out of something bad. At least we never had to endure a bad J/C get together scene. It has been done tastefully by fanfic writers and the possibilities are endless. I would have liked a J/C kiss, though...just one. There was surely an opportunity during the series to give us one in some kind of alternate reality or mind-control episode. I believe they considered having J/C as a couple under mind control in Workforce, but abandoned it. I think that would have been awesome and paved the way for them getting together in the finale.

In my heart J/C rules and always will

I agree with both of you. It upsets me to this day about J/C. The writers made them so compatible... but also, the actors didn't help because they were so in tuned to each other. Also, they looked good together, and Chakotay was jealous of Q, and I think, early on, Janeway was a little jealous of Chakotay and Seska...

Hell, I dunno. I just know that it would have been awesome to see them get together - at least once. On New Earth, there should have/could have been at least one teeny tiny kiss... *sigh* ...I know its been a long time since the show has been off, but I just can't get over this. :-(

spockdatadax

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Report this Apr. 01 2012, 4:22 am

I believe the writers of that New Earth episode, "Resolutions," wanted to show that Chakotay was a true gentleman. He showed his deep respect for Janeway by not taking advantage of the situation. But I totally agree that they should've at least kissed!!! Arghh!! I can't get over it, either. There is an alternate universe short story that brings J/C together. But I know it's not the same. =(

deannastartreker

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Report this Apr. 01 2012, 1:35 pm

i have one thing to say:


who's dumb idea was that?!?!?!


its like with not putting will and deanna together in tng!!!

voyagersborg47

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 6:58 pm

I agree with everyone else. Seven and Chakotay together caught me completely off guard. I agree that they should have put Seven with someone, but I would have rather seen her with Ens. Kim. They almost put them together in Season 4, I think they should have revisited that. As for Chakotay, I can't see him and Capt. Janeway together. I can see where they almost went there in like Season 2, but the captain can't be fraternizing with her crew! And Chakotay... well I really didn't like that character anyway.


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Cpt. Sameway

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Report this Jun. 18 2012, 8:21 am

Ensign Kim was a lame character, imho. Seven should have been with Holodoc... as for J/C, I really hope they can hook up in the next book, at least... I need to wash myself clean of this Chakotay/7 "thing". I need to reconcile it because its been about a hundred years since the show went off the air, but... geez, that still bugs me muchly! -_- [/not obsessed] lol

starlisa

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Report this Jun. 20 2012, 6:24 pm

Quote: Cpt. Sameway @ Jun. 18 2012, 8:21 am

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> I need to reconcile it because its been about a hundred years since the show went off the air, but... geez, that still bugs me muchly! -_- [/not obsessed] lol

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You're not alone. It still bugs me too.


As a voyager movie seems unlikely, maybe in some Trek movie they could squeeze in a J/C scene, or maybe they could film one and stick it on the Voyager DVDs as an extra. For me, it would not have to be a get together scene (considering the age of the actors now) but just them being happy together in some way. I think it's a real shame if a J/C scene is never filmed because Mulgrew and Beltran had such amazing chemistry. They had gold with them two and could have mined it for all it was worth. Instead they threw it away and that still boggles my mind. 

GottaloveB'elanna

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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 3:58 am

Am I the only one around here that does think Chakotay and 7 were a good couple? Ok, I agree the story of the future admiral that they had married is ridiculous, 7 wasn't ready for that yet, but I still think they were a great couple together! Back on earth they would have gone apart, leaving as freinds and realizing it wasn't really love. And for the J/C thing, in the last 2 seasons you could really see they were growing best freinds, it just matched, but I didn't see any chemistry at all... Eventually Janeway would meet a strong man on earth, someone like McCoy I think, and Chakotay would marry a Betazoid, someone Troi like i think... For 7, I think she would, under the influence of Aunt Irene start dating and find someone, or even himself, Lt. Barclay.


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GottaloveB'elanna

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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 4:43 am

Am I the only one around here that does think Chakotay and 7 were a good couple? Ok, I agree the story of the future admiral that they had married is ridiculous, 7 wasn't ready for that yet, but I still think they were a great couple together! Back on earth they would have gone apart, leaving as freinds and realizing it wasn't really love. And for the J/C thing, in the last 2 seasons you could really see they were growing best freinds, it just matched, but I didn't see any chemistry at all... Eventually Janeway would meet a strong man on earth, someone like McCoy I think, and Chakotay would marry a Betazoid, someone Troi like i think... For 7, I think she would, under the influence of Aunt Irene start dating and find someone like , or even himself, Lt. Barclay.


Please be quiet, mr Neelix.

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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 8:33 am

The Chakotay/Seven romance smacked of a problem a lot of shows have in their last season. Running out of ideas.


Really... Chakotay and Torres would have made a more convincing couple than those two. Or even Seven and the Doctor. And we all know how unlikely either of those was based on the characters.


I actually liked the Voyager novels a lot more than the show. Janeway's ultamite fate and the sad ending was a bold move. It would be a shame if they took away from that by hitting the reset button again.


starlisa

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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 11:51 am

Quote: GottaloveB'elanna @ Jun. 26 2012, 4:43 am

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>Am I the only one around here that does think Chakotay and 7 were a good couple?


Yes, lol  


No, seriously, they do have some fans. J/C is just more popular. For many of us, I think, the problem is that we don't feel as though we have closure - that a show we loved, with characters we love, ended on such a downer because of C/7 that we don't feel like we have an ending. Maybe, had the books been better, but they have been a total disaster in many eyes.

GottaloveB'elanna

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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 12:12 pm

I'm reading the Homecoming novel The Farther shore now, around 1/3 of the book now, but I'm busy now so I can't read a lot now. Maybe I should be glad, I can still use my imagination, my philosophy teacher (also one of the femal Trekkies and a huuuuuge Voyager fan) thought that eventually 7/icheb would be the right relationship... Icheb was almost adult at the end of the show. What I miss here is the fact that 7 and C were just dating, they weren't in a relationship yet, and as we can see 7 was madly in love with the holo incident/

starlisa

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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 4:19 pm

Seven and Icheb - I'm not sure about that. But I'd be happy for her to have anyone but Chakotay, lol. But using one's imagination is good. There are great fanics out there which we are so lucky to have.


I guess my biggest problem with C/7, aside from being a huge Janeway/Chakotay fan, is that it kind of undermined what I loved so much about Voyager. I loved it that the show not only had strong women but progressive males like Chakotay and Tom who could respect strong women and find them attractive. In that way, for me, J/C was an inspirational and progressive relationship about equality, respect, friendship, and love. But, come the end, it confirmed so many outdated stereotypes by having "progressive male" Chakotay dating a sexy blonde half his age (he's nearly 50, she's not yet thirty); a similar fate happened to the doctor in the erased future; old admiral Janeway was a tragic and lonely figure who believed marriage was for the young; Janeway lost the man she loved to her younger protege; and for strong, independent, Seven, it is a romantic relationship with a man that ultimately defines her humanity.  I really didn't like any of these messages. And it could have been so different, that's what still bugs me. But I am over it, lol. Truly!

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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 6:13 pm

Naaw, I didn't see any chemistry with Janeway-Chakotay. He was struck by Seven of Nine (SON) is my take. Chakotay's principles wouldn't allow him to cross the line and if he did, then he can forget about S.O.N. And Janeway seemed preoccupied with a romance with Tom Paris despite B Elanna. Tuvok wasn't a factor either with none of the available ladies despite his Vulcan marriage, he might as well have been Grandpaw. My favorite girl for romance would be B ELanna with her subtle femininity. Where she doesn't even try, it just exudes, a natural beauty. it's just there. I'm male and I just love observing the little nuances women exibit. Some men just don't pick this up and just don't know what they're missing. How'd I get on that?


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