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If Zefram Cochrane invented warp drive . . .

Dendodge

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Report this Sep. 25 2010, 2:14 pm

. . . what were the Vulcans using to get to the Sol system in the first place?


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Report this Sep. 25 2010, 3:13 pm

The Vulcans had been utilizing WD for centuries before man, as were the Klingons, and others such as the Cardassians. Cochrane was the first human to conceive and successfully test it. If non-canon, ''Federation'' goes into his inspiration for it, and his early work-including his life in the Centaurian System.


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Report this Sep. 26 2010, 6:00 am

I thought that is was archer's father that never got the recognition?

Perhaps there's a difference between initiating the 'warp-drive,' and the 'warp-drive factor?' I haven't figured it out yet?

It's strange, being a catalyst for things that move outside.

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Report this Sep. 26 2010, 7:29 am

Archer's father built the warp 5 engine, Cochrane built the first warp (1) engine.

If the Vulcans were using warp drive first, why does the Federation admire Cochrane so much? (They even measure warp field stability in units called cochranes!)

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Report this Sep. 26 2010, 7:43 am

Archer's father built the warp 5 engine, Cochrane built the first warp (1) engine.


Corection, Archers father designed the warp 5 engine. He would have also helped to build it, had he not passed away.


If the Vulcans were using warp drive first, why does the Federation admire Cochrane so much? (They even measure warp field stability in units called cochranes!)


Thats an interesting question, i would say that it has to do with Earth being the capitol of the UFP, or the ULT (Univerals Liguistic Translator) translates whatever other races use for that mesurment as Cochanes, and vice versa.

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Report this Sep. 26 2010, 10:21 am

For Dendodges second question, i disagree with Camorite. I beieve the Federation looks up to Cochrane because he was the first human (and we all know how much alien races love humans) to build warp one. No one had contacted humanity pubically, and yet we still acomplished a feat the Vulcan's weren' even expecting. Yes, are Fed friends like us and respect us now, but then we were a childlike specieces. The fact that we accomplished so much drove them to also respect the man with the vision.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 8:26 am

Starfleet is most heavily built on human tech. The romulan war goes into this. Same as columbus was not the first to visit the west but civilization is built on his achievements.So though cochrane was not the first in the quadrant, ufp technology owes more to his engine technology, hence, the recognition.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 8:49 am

That makes sense, I guess. And it's not unheard of for something to be named after somebody other than its inventor/discoverer - Higgs was the last scientist to independently theorise the existence of the Higgs boson, for example.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 12:16 pm

Not to mention where America got it's name, from someone who never came here.

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Report this Nov. 09 2010, 4:00 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Nov. 09 2010, 8:26 am

Starfleet is most heavily built on human tech. The romulan war goes into this. Same as columbus was not the first to visit the west but civilization is built on his achievements.So though cochrane was not the first in the quadrant, ufp technology owes more to his engine technology, hence, the recognition.
True, the Vikings were the first to visit North America, but columbus' voyage is more famous. Same applys for the warp tech.

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Report this Nov. 29 2010, 3:24 pm

From Memory Alpha-

The Vulcans, who were an interstellar civilization by the 3rd century, had reached the level of warp 7 by 2151. Klingons had a capability of warp 6 by the same year. (ENT: "Judgment") It is unclear when their first experiments with warp drive began. However, it was the rapid progress of Humanity which led to the wide-scale exploration of the galaxy and the formation of the United Federation of Planets.

Regarding Vulcan propulsion technology aboard the T'Plana-Hath, Ronald D. Moore commented: "Certainly Cochrane is credited with the invention of warp drive as we know it in Trek, so we could assume that the Vulcans were using something else – possibly a variant of the contained singularity used by the Romulans. That might've been a much more dangerous and inefficient technology which was quickly abandoned by most of the galaxy when Cochrane's system was introduced." (AOL chat, 1997)

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Report this Nov. 29 2010, 4:08 pm

That wouldn't work, because T'Pol believed singularities were impossible for the first couple of seasons of Enterprise.

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Report this Nov. 29 2010, 8:45 pm

Quote: Dendodge @ Nov. 29 2010, 4:08 pm

That wouldn't work, because T'Pol believed singularities were impossible for the first couple of seasons of Enterprise.

That is incorrect. Vulcan theorized the existence of micro-singularities, and it was T'Pol who suggested their presence in "Shuttlepod One". Archer was the one who called micro-singularities "a Vulcan myth", suggesting humans were dismissive of them.

If Vulcan FTL drives are based on artificial singularities, like the Romulans, then perhaps such technology could have led to theoretical calculations regarding micro-singularities. The Vulcans are highly logical, and math would be a viable force to center a belief in an unobserved phenomenon.

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Report this Nov. 30 2010, 4:15 am

Quote: Blackbird223 @ Sep. 26 2010, 10:21 am

For Dendodges second question, i disagree with Camorite. I beieve the Federation looks up to Cochrane because he was the first human (and we all know how much alien races love humans) to build warp one. No one had contacted humanity pubically, and yet we still acomplished a feat the Vulcan's weren' even expecting. Yes, are Fed friends like us and respect us now, but then we were a childlike specieces. The fact that we accomplished so much drove them to also respect the man with the vision.


But the Federation was founded by four different races, all of which already had their own measurment for the Cochrane, why would they replace the word that they have been using for years with a new one, despite the fact that it was humanity that brought them all together.

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Report this Nov. 30 2010, 9:00 am

I never got the idea that Cochrane was revered by the whole Federation, most definitely humans though. We heard about Cochrane's achievements primarily through humans: Kirk, Picard, Riker, and LaForge. Spock was the only alien, to my memory, that spoke of Cochrane.


Spock: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great univerisities, cities... (Star Trek: Metamorphosis).


While this line can lend itself to such an interpretation of Cochrane being the sole originator of the space warp, I'm skeptical of adopting this conclusion based on one line alone, especially when there is so much more evidence to the contrary. Other space faring civilizations had warp drive across the galaxy and without being in contact or proximity of earth... the Dominion in the Gamma Quadrant, and countless other races in the Delta Quadrant. Nog mentioned the Ferengi buying warp drive technology from an unknown race in "Little Green Men". TNG's episoe "First Contact" showed a pre-warp civilization independantly developing the technology. The Prime Directive even suggests the discovery of warp technology is a natural step in the evolution of a planetary civilization's development.


With the above in mind, it becomes necessary to reframe Spock's quote. It is relatively safe to conclude through observation (of human achievement and predilection for exploration) that Spock was referring to human establishments, settlements, and colonies. Spock did after all specify "known galaxy", but did not specify races other than humans.


It has already been indicated that Starfleet designates Cochranes as a standard unit, but observed Starfleet vessels consist largely of human crews. This does not mean, however, the Cochrane is standard across the Federation, its members, or allies. In fact, "Star Trek III: TSFS" and TNG's "Redemption, Part II" offered a glimpse at the Klingons unit of length measurement... kellicam. It is therefore logical to conclude this extends into warp measurements as well.

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