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Starfleet too Militaristic?

Treknoir

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 3:31 pm

Quote: parrothead117 @ Mar. 27 2011, 9:21 am

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>The Federation is based too much on the US in general.  It's got that embarassing Whiggish interpretation of its own history and purpose.  By the 24th century we will have abandoned that attitude, much as the British abandoned it in the last century.

>I'm thinking of Picard's quote of Aaron Satie in "The Drumhead."

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LOL Many people have pointed this out on other boards and threads. That humans would wield that much influence amongst alien races who are far more advanced and have a longer history of space travel is ridiculous.


But "we" have to feel special and the creator of ST was American, so there you go.


 


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

VORTEX8472

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Report this Mar. 27 2011, 5:15 pm


I think the "USA" military/cultural themes prevalent in Star Trek were the direct result of the show being created to appeal to the millions of Americans “GLUED” to their television sets, back in the 60’s; after all TV like any other industry is true to only one law “show me the money”.   Although G. Roddenberry quite eloquently assembled a crew of diverse backgrounds and nationalities, to allegorically show the strengths of cooperation and mutual trust vs constant-paranoia and unrelenting violence (i.e. Federation vs Klingons/Romulans).


I not American, however I have a deep respect and admiration for the contributions that honest and hardworking Americans have made to the betterment of humanity (i.e. science/art/humanitarian aid etc); I don’t believe in generalizations, there are “idiots/bigots/good guys/amazing women” in every nation and culture.   


The Military aspects of Star Trek are most importantly a “plot device”, many of the best episodes capitalized on the protocols/procedures that “civilized” military organizations are expected to abide by; in some cases characters played it “by the book” and in some they played the “cowboy diplomat”.


Measure of a Man, Drumhead, the Ensigns of Command, reunification, I Borg, Chain of Command, Equinox, Night, The Void, Thirty Days, The Disease, Homefront/Paradise Lost, Rules of Engagement, In the Pale Moonlight, Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges... To name a few

UFP2009

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 6:16 pm

Quote: VORTEX8472 @ Mar. 27 2011, 5:15 pm

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class="MsoNormal">I think the "USA" military/cultural themes prevalent in Star Trek were the direct result of the show being created to appeal to the millions of Americans “GLUED” to their television sets, back in the 60’s; after all TV like any other industry is true to only one law “show me the money”.   Although G. Roddenberry quite eloquently assembled a crew of diverse backgrounds and nationalities, to allegorically show the strengths of cooperation and mutual trust vs constant-paranoia and unrelenting violence (i.e. Federation vs Klingons/Romulans).

class="MsoNormal">I not American, however I have a deep respect and admiration for the contributions that honest and hardworking Americans have made to the betterment of humanity (i.e. science/art/humanitarian aid etc); I don’t believe in generalizations, there are “idiots/bigots/good guys/amazing women” in every nation and culture.   

class="MsoNormal">The Military aspects of Star Trek are most importantly a “plot device”, many of the best episodes capitalized on the protocols/procedures that “civilized” military organizations are expected to abide by; in some cases characters played it “by the book” and in some they played the “cowboy diplomat”.

class="MsoNormal">Measure of a Man, Drumhead, the Ensigns of Command, reunification, I Borg, Chain of Command, Equinox, Night, The Void, Thirty Days, The Disease, Homefront/Paradise Lost, Rules of Engagement, In the Pale Moonlight, Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges... To name a few

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you're correct in a way; remember, there was cold war going on and democracy had to be lifted up. It was not so much USA, it was more democracy in general.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 




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andoriangrey

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Report this Apr. 01 2011, 3:34 pm

I think it's about the right mix. Perhaps too much focus on military stories? One can presume the science & exploration missions are still going on; they just don't have "center stage" at the present time? I'd like to see the USS nomenclature dropped for FSS (Federation Starfleet Ship). I think long-range exploration missions should be done with a multi-ship Task Force. Perhaps a large cruiser/flagship, with 2 or 3 military escort ships, a dedicated science ship or 2, a large Tender/Dock ship for major resupply/repair tasks, a "Carrier", that carries a large contingent of personnel (science teams, terra-forming/engineering/construction teams, troops, etc...) and lots of runabouts for exploring a solar system's many planets, moons, asteroids, comets, etc...A cargo ship might be good for bringing back an extensive array of samples of minerals, flora, fauna, etc...

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