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nl3paul3nl

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Report this Apr. 15 2011, 3:04 pm

For me, DS9 is undeniably the best off the franchise as well. In all in the other series it was like all different episodes and missing 1 episode didn't matter cause it had nothing to do with the next. Well, for DS9 you GOT to watch them all, because we're talking 1 big solid story here. The crew starts out as a bunch of inexperienced people with their own dreams and stuff. And then they start growing up slowly, but have to do that really fast as they get smacked in the face by the Dominion's appearance. Ever since I saw the Jem'Hadar I always wanted to see them like fight the Borg, that'd be the shit.


For many, TNG is still the greatest series of them all and I can imagine why. Also keep in mind that DS9 had a much bigger budget. Take the very first scene for example, Sisko and his guys fighting the Borg. They couldn't make a scene like that in TNG, so forget about having enire fleets going medievel on each other! Boy, I'd still love to see a fleet of Dominion ships fighting off Borg Cubes.

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Report this Apr. 16 2011, 10:51 am

Quote: nl3paul3nl @ Apr. 15 2011, 3:04 pm

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>For me, DS9 is undeniably the best off the franchise as well. In all in the other series it was like all different episodes and missing 1 episode didn't matter cause it had nothing to do with the next. Well, for DS9 you GOT to watch them all, because we're talking 1 big solid story here. The crew starts out as a bunch of inexperienced people with their own dreams and stuff. And then they start growing up slowly, but have to do that really fast as they get smacked in the face by the Dominion's appearance. Ever since I saw the Jem'Hadar I always wanted to see them like fight the Borg, that'd be the shit.

>For many, TNG is still the greatest series of them all and I can imagine why. Also keep in mind that DS9 had a much bigger budget. Take the very first scene for example, Sisko and his guys fighting the Borg. They couldn't make a scene like that in TNG, so forget about having enire fleets going medievel on each other! Boy, I'd still love to see a fleet of Dominion ships fighting off Borg Cubes.

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I agree, it would be awesome to see a Dominion fleet take on a sqaudron of Borg cubes.


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Report this Apr. 20 2011, 3:08 pm

 


--There shou;d be a new series. I want to see star trek on the air again, instead of watch it on dvd and online. it should be further in the future than next gen and Ds9. I had athought that be cause it's bee established in enterprise that the federation and the Xindi will have better relations, a Xindi charachter might work.(insectoids and aquatics aren't practical because they are animated. Reptillian wouldbe the most makeup any actor on startrek would have to wear on a regular basis.The other species would be fine. a romulan character might be nice as you can see better romulan-federation relationships developing at the end of nemesis

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Report this Apr. 24 2011, 6:04 am

Of course! I know that all true Star Trek fans would love to see a new series. I would like to see it after the time that the previous Star Treks were placed, however.


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Report this Apr. 27 2011, 8:49 pm

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as much as I would love a new Trek series, I don't think it will ever happen. If it did however, it would most likely be based off of the new movie. And if they end up using the JJprise, I'm sorry, but that thing looks like a tapered piece of Klingon shit that a Romulan threw up on.


I entirely agree. That 2009 movie was an insult to Star Trek.


Why did I start watching TOS? Because the emphasis was on the plot and new concepts that had never occurred to me before, and not mindless same old same old storylines.


Why did I adore TNG? Because it extended those challenging concepts to new heights. There were no goodies or baddies. There were different ways of thinking often resulting in conflict and then the crucial steps taken to resolve those conflicts. First dialogue and understanding, and only if all else fails do you get out the guns.


This new 2009 Star Trek movie is just another piece of hollywood "shit that a Romulan threw up on" with people wearing Star Trek gear. A new series scares me because I would hate to see more damage done to the ideals of Star Trek. If Gene were still running the show I would say let's do it but with JJ running it I say NO MORE!!

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Report this Apr. 29 2011, 1:28 pm

Quote: dombric @ Apr. 27 2011, 8:49 pm

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>as much as I would love a new Trek series, I don't think it will ever happen. If it did however, it would most likely be based off of the new movie. And if they end up using the JJprise, I'm sorry, but that thing looks like a tapered piece of Klingon shit that a Romulan threw up on.

I entirely agree. That 2009 movie was an insult to Star Trek.

Why did I start watching TOS? Because the emphasis was on the plot and new concepts that had never occurred to me before, and not mindless same old same old storylines.

Why did I adore TNG? Because it extended those challenging concepts to new heights. There were no goodies or baddies. There were different ways of thinking often resulting in conflict and then the crucial steps taken to resolve those conflicts. First dialogue and understanding, and only if all else fails do you get out the guns.

This new 2009 Star Trek movie is just another piece of hollywood "shit that a Romulan threw up on" with people wearing Star Trek gear. A new series scares me because I would hate to see more damage done to the ideals of Star Trek. If Gene were still running the show I would say let's do it but with JJ running it I say NO MORE!!

What a horrible, narrow-minded point of view! It's people like you who are causing us fans who still actually care about Star Trek to probably never see a new series again! It sickens me.


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Report this May. 04 2011, 12:52 am

Quote: crusherfan3 @ Apr. 29 2011, 1:28 pm

>What a horrible, narrow-minded point of view! It's people like you who are causing us fans who still actually care about Star Trek to probably never see a new series again! It sickens me.


If you were an honest Star Trek fan you wouldn't just want a new series for the sake of it. The things that set Star Trek apart from other shows are slowly being chipped away with every new series / movie. (In the case of the 2009 movie they took to it with a sledgehammer).


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Report this May. 04 2011, 9:17 am

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>Well yea I would love to see a new series!!! I personally think that JJ did a wonderful job with the new movie and that they could start a new series based off of the movie. It could be just like the OTS chronicling the alternate reality the Star Trek crew due to the events in the movie.


I'm not sure if this has been addressed in the thread yet, I skipped a few pages :/ And there have been multiple idea's about a new series based on the NuTrek, I know. But this one was the first one I came across xD


I think I can be pretty sure that there won't be a new series based off of this, a movie or two probably since directors don't know how to leave things be as they are. But a series? unlikely. And if there were than I can also be pretty sure that "Spock" in particular won't be the same. Zachary Quinto, the actor who portrayed Spock in the new movie has said multiple times now that he's done with doing T.V series'. That he prefers theatre and movie, and doesn't dislike, but doesn't like the stress of a series performance. So if they ended up making a series over it, I wouldn't watch it. Why? Because I think they managed to pull off a good replacement for both Kirk and Spock in the new movie, to have a completely different Spock in the series would piss me off.


That and I do not like the new Sarek. I watched Trek '09 a few days ago and had to skip over the scenes with him in it. I can't even stand to watch him, they picked such good actors for Kirk/Spock/Sulu...etc, WHY could they not come up with a better Sarek? There are multiple actors that would make formidable replacements for the man. I am typically very open-minded, and being a Trek fiction writer myself I can appreciate the wild and totally impossible idea's of the movie world. But for some reason I simply cannot move beyond the fact that I really don't like Ben Cross as Sarek. And with a new series, they would not doubt have him in it.


So darn it D:< I would have liked to see something interesting out of that. But the idea of a futuristic Trek series is a very attractive one. Like, based some Nth centuries in the future, whole new characters, changed cultures, new races. I think we could manage that?


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Report this May. 30 2011, 8:45 am

Should there be a new series? Of course there should and only a fool would doubt that they will. Although it may take time. So the question is not should there or Will there, the question is, "What kind?" Those who take on the challenge must be careful. Another series like Enterprise and the francise might fall apart. Prequils and time alterations must come to an end. Star Trek is about going forward not backwards.


As much as I would like to see how the changes in the Reboot timeline would effect the events in TNG or the Dominion Wars, any attempt "Outside of Movies" to portray the events would simply be repeating Berman's disaster, which forever tarnished the Star Trek name for a generation and placed an entire cast with potential into the catagory of "rouge series"


So that being said a new "Sucessful" series must take place post Voyager, with the acknowlegment that the timeline unfolded more or less as it should with moderate variations, to historical events. It should as before take into account the real-life science as TNG tried so hard to do, and the focus should not be placed on one crew member over another as happened in the "Seven of Nine Show" I mean "Voyager" 


I think there is room for an Enterprise E, with a new Captain or Captain Riker, I love Patrick Stewart but I doubt he'd return to TV. I could also see another ship completely with "All New" Cast and "Regular cameos" from DS9, TNG and Voyager cast. Maybe Admiral Janeway Bossing around a new Captain. 


However they do it, Star Trek will return to TV eventually, I just hope some one better than Berman and who has a true love for Gene Rodenberry's dream, is calling the shots when it does. 

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Report this May. 30 2011, 4:35 pm

I started a book, got the first chapter done and put a time line together so that the story can be sumarized, then writer's block kicked in big time.   I may never get it done, so I'm going to give you a teaser here.    If someone sees the vision and wants to colabarate with me.    I'm game.


Capt. Elias Noah commands the crew of the starship NCC-2257 Endeaver, Nicknamed "Noah's Arc".    Upon leaving DS-9 on it's way to the Gamma Quadrant, the "Arc" is redirected by the Prophets to the far end of that quadrant where they discover a system that is determined to be in a pre-nova state.    The pre-warp civilization that they find there have been listening to the Prophets for centuries and have acted on a Prophecy they had been given 50 years before to start building space globes to store and save their race.   These globes have sockets built in that interestingly enough match perfectly to the Arc's saucer section so that a galaxy class starship can connect to them and push them at warp speed.      Ok, that's all ya get unless someone or many want to work with me on it.    If so, email me at "kees1951@yahoo.com" and I will send the first chapter and timeline so we can get going on finishing it.    I think it would make a good movie or even a good series.     Any takers?

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Report this Jun. 03 2011, 3:30 am

Quote: Rhaseley @ May. 30 2011, 8:45 am

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>Should there be a new series? Of course there should and only a fool would doubt that they will. Although it may take time. So the question is not should there or Will there, the question is, "What kind?" Those who take on the challenge must be careful. Another series like Enterprise and the francise might fall apart. Prequils and time alterations must come to an end. Star Trek is about going forward not backwards.

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>However they do it, Star Trek will return to TV eventually, I just hope some one better than Berman and who has a true love for Gene Rodenberry's dream, is calling the shots when it does. 

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I disagree with your premise even though I understand your logic. I do agree that Roddenberry's wish was for ST to grow and go forward and in that respect the path the 'franchise' has taken might seem appropriate - but (whilst I am a big fan of the man) GR wasn't always right in the best way to market the show. He was an idealist (nothing wrong with that) and a great creative spirit (forever in his debt we all are for Trek) but seemed to lose the thread a little when it came to how best to handle what they already had. He was also forever changing his mind about things as his imagination kept leaping forward leaving everybody else behind.


In short it is difficult to know exactly how to interpret his vision anymore. So many other people always contributed anyway (Jeffries/Coon/Fontana/Justman/Berman/Braga etc.)


Another Enterprise (after Picard) is a possibility - but under who? Captain Wesley Crusher?!!!...


The race to the future seemed to see everything getting bigger. The galaxy class starships dwarfed the constellation class - presumably this process would continue. An even huger starship would be a mistake. There would be no intimacy - you need a core of characters to buy into. Voyager was probably the right kind of sized ship/crew but unfortunately it was such a godawful series/cast the opportunity was squandered.


I'm not sure the future of the future is the way at all.


As with ENT perhaps the past (or present) of the future is a better option?


I don't buy Star Trek as an infinite universe of potential characters/ships/time periods etc. - even though it obviously can be. I see it as a collection of stories which at its best reflect the experiences of some very good characters. That is why I love TOS and TNG and really can't devote much attention to the others. DS9 and ENT had their moments - and even VOY had the doctor and 7of9. However, of the other three, only really ENT had truly likeable human characters.


The characters are the most important aspect of it all. Starships and alien threats are not enough.


At the risk of sounding like a repetitive record stuck in a groove ... IMHO opinion there are only two real options for Star Trek's future (in addition to the movie reboot) and they involve returning to its strengths. Why go forwards? Why not go back to what we knew worked? I have mentioned these two ideas before, but will repeat them again as two viable/commercial options for a future Trek TV series:


(a) Star Trek : Phase II - the continuing adventures of Kirk & Co on the NCC-1701 refit Enterprise immediately after the events of ST:TMP - their second five year mission. It would have the look and uniforms etc. of that film but would be done as a CGI exercise (with soundalike voice actors). One could easily see a full five season series springing out of that tapping into the absolute best that modern technology has to offer in terms of presentation. And CGI is getting better and better every day. It is almost - but not quite - realistic, and surely it is only a matter of time before it is. There would absolutely no boundaries to the imagination as to what could be shown on screen with that medium in mind.


(b) Star Trek : New Frontiers - the real-life (as opposed to CGI) adventures of the first captain of the Enterprise - Robert April - as they take the very same original ship out into the universe for the first time. It would have a very retro feel to it (bring back technicolour rather than the 1990s/2000s blando-sterile colour schemes) and would use The Cage (and Forbidden Planet) stylings. Yes, this would be nostalgia for a late 50s/early 60s view of science fiction - but what is wrong with that? All the other avenues have been explored - why not try this one? It would form the connecting bridge to link ENT with TOS and bring us full circle.


Either of those options are the way I would go - and I reckon either would be successful commercially, because they tap into tried and tested products and scenarios. There is an audience out there (and not just die-hard Trekkers) who would lap it up.


 


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Report this Jun. 05 2011, 4:48 pm

I disagree. There have been so many crap prequels around in the last 15 years I think the general public has had a gutfull. Let's look to the future and contemplate concepts we have never even dreamed of (except for time travel, another gutfull topic).


There were some futuristic snapshots in the various series. TNG had a futuristic version of the enterprise in the last episode. VOY had a futuristic federation ship in one episode with "slip-stream" drive (although it turned out to be an alien imposter) and I'm sure there have been others. Both of the ones I mention above were done very well and were believable futuristic starfleet vessels.


Let's challenge our imagination and forget the bloody cowboys and indians farces of recent times. Isn't that what separates Star Trek from everything else?

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Report this Jun. 11 2011, 3:04 am

So many crap prequels? I can't think of a single one ...


ST:ENT is not really a prequel. It is too early to make any major connection with the TOS universe. They made some tenuous links it is true - but they were mining a known universe, working backwards, and trying to establish their own period in its own right.


What we have had is parallel shows. ST-DS9 and ST-VOY being in the same period as ST-TNG.


What we haven't had (ignoring the movie reboot - because I'm talking TV here) is anything that has returned to the TOS period. So the general public can't have had a gutfull at all. Besides which, you are probably thinking more of the specialised interest groups of Trekkers rather than the general audience. The latter in my opinion would opt for Kirk & Co (and possibly Picard) every time.


It is good that we have different views - but for me the whole premise has wandered so far from its original spirit of action, excitement and weekly episodic adventure, that it really needs to get back to its roots. Back to known and loved characters, tried and tested scenarios - then some really good stories. A show that just has new ships and new aliens won't be enough unless it has great characters and plots. You are just never going to better Kirk & Co for that.


I don't understand the cowboys and indians references ...


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dombric

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 9:06 pm

"So many crap prequels? I can't think of a single one ..."


In particular I was referring to Star Trek 2009 but also more broadly referring to ST:ENT and also the ridiculous 3 Star Wars prequels.


"ST:ENT is not really a prequel. It is too early to make any major connection with the TOS universe. They made some tenuous links it is true - but they were mining a known universe, working backwards, and trying to establish their own period in its own right."


There's no point in being pedantic about it. A sequel is a show that occurs later in time than a previously released show. A prequel is a show that occurs earlier in time than a previously released one.


"Besides which, you are probably thinking more of the specialised interest groups of Trekkers rather than the general audience. The latter in my opinion would opt for Kirk & Co (and possibly Picard) every time."


As far as I'm concerned the "general audience" can stick to Stargate and Babylon 5 if they want a soap opera in space. Star Trek is what it is because it provides some mental stimulation for the "specialised interest groups" ie. people with an interest in science and space and how it will realistically be applied to exploration in the future, not how well a lycra suit hugs some voluptuous model.


"I don't understand the cowboys and indians references ..."


With reference to ST 2009:


Cowboys: The Federation goodies, who are such tragic victims.


Indians: The inherently evil Romulans, who just want to kill and destroy.


The best best thing about Star Trek is that it used to probe beyond the veil of hostility usually to discover differences in culture. eg. Klingons were originally barbarians but were later shown to be highly cultured honourable warriors. Ferengi were originally uncivilised greed mongers but then we came to learn about their complex and vibrant trade culture. I could go on with so many other races. It just feels like all the blood, sweat and tears Jean Luc and his crew gave to build interplanetary relations were for nothing.

Rhaseley

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Report this Jun. 15 2011, 11:43 pm

Well dombric, what you must remember is that TOS was, although an attempt to send a moral message to it's fans, it also had a flare of the "Wild Frontier" taste to it, which is what Abrams was attempting to tap into. Whereas TNG had farmore basis in actual scientiffic theories. 


Both approaches have there merits and flaws. 


However I agree with you ENT was the worst thing to happen to the ST universe (Which is probebly why they ended it by saying it was all in an ALT verse.) and VOY became the Seven of Nine show.


However I enjoyed DS9 due to the way they challenged the altruesic mantality of the Federation and in a few rare cases altruism gave way to the cruel reality of war.


Also the Romulans have never been portrayed as "inherently evil, who just want to kill and destroy." in the contrary they are a very complicated race who are proud to the point of arrogance, and cunning. But I can not think of a single episode of TOS, TNG, DS9, or VOY which describes them as ruthless or brutal. Infact one of the MANY things which sets ST apart from Star Wars and other such SciFi is that there is no such thing as an Evil Species, even the Dominion, or the Cardassians for has nasty as they could be, believed they were doing what they needed to in order to survive. In short, My enemy is not evil, we just cant find common ground right now."


As far as the remake of TOS....


"Now now, young minds, fresh Ideas. We taught them." - Star Trek III


I just ask that the next television series progresses from Voyager and keeps the heart and soul of Gene Rodenberry's dream in mind.

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