The President Obama appreciation thread

fireproof78

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Report this May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

DT,


thanks for the links. I will do my best to treat them as primary sources


I know that I said that I agree with the Tea Party but not 100% anymore than I agree with Republicans 100%, conservatives 100% and things like that.


And while I understand the appeal of socialism in its multiple forms, my research has not inclined me towards it due to the lack of compassion inherent in the systems that eventually form within socialism. By the way, I read more about it here: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Libertarian_socialism.html


Checks and balances work but only if the rule of law is respected and the people using them are moral. That was the Founding Fathers whole point.


Also, like I said earlier, I believe I have the right to free speech-I think I read that somewhere


I have representatives who I feel represent my interests. The fact that I don't agree with the majority doesn't make the system flawed-I just disagree with the choices being made. I wasn't aware that government had to go MY way all the time for me not to have an opinion.


I want a limited government with some control. I don't want an all seeing, all knowing government that provides me with cradle to grave services. I don't need the government to tell me how to spend my money, what to eat or what to drive.


I appreciate the government for services such as the military, the treasury (not the Fed-let's be clear), safety regulations (to a degree. Like I said, it has gotten excessive, at least in my trade).


Yes, I would like to believe that people can be honest and when they say they are going to do something, they try to do it. Some, when my Representative says they belief in something and will fight for it, and I agree with them, I expect them to follow through. If they don't, they don't get elected again. It's really rather simple.


But people would have me belief that Obama is behaving nobly, keeping his word when reality he does many things he complained his predecessor and then some.


DT, I get what you are arguing for, but that isn't what the United States was built on. Direct democracy, like I said, is nice-in small groups. On the scale of this country, currently, it is unmanageable. In fact, only 30% of Americans vote, so direct democracy would still end up becoming a small fraction of the population.


Also, DT and Bam-bam, can we quit with the ProRegressive term? Its a nonsensical word that adds nothing to the discussion.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this May. 08 2013, 8:09 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

>thanks for the links. I will do my best to treat them as primary sources
Let me guess.... DT cited some opinion blog or a wiki as a primary source....


 


Edit:  I was just watching a documentary talking about education, and one of their people cited a Department of Education study showing that ~95% of high school graduates don't know how to use a primary source document.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this May. 08 2013, 8:16 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

>Also, DT and Bam-bam, can we quit with the ProRegressive term? Its a nonsensical word that adds nothing to the discussion.
I use that term as it is much more correct/truthful than "Progressive" or "Liberal".... If they were truly liberal, then they would be for liberty.  Instead, they want us to regress back to a time of fully authoritarian/tyrannical government - hence they're not progressing, they're regressing.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 12:35 pm

I wonder how much information will come out of the Benghazi whistleblowers.... I seriously doubt the administration will ever take responsibility.


But will it be another Watergate (where the administration was disgraced), or another Fast & Furious (where the coverup worked)?


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Report this May. 08 2013, 1:34 pm

Don't blame me!  I voted for Jill Stein and The Green Party!  No more New World Jesuit Disorder thank you very much!  All controlled puppets.  


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