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Report this May. 08 2013, 8:09 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

>thanks for the links. I will do my best to treat them as primary sources
Let me guess.... DT cited some opinion blog or a wiki as a primary source....


 


Edit:  I was just watching a documentary talking about education, and one of their people cited a Department of Education study showing that ~95% of high school graduates don't know how to use a primary source document.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 8:16 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

>Also, DT and Bam-bam, can we quit with the ProRegressive term? Its a nonsensical word that adds nothing to the discussion.
I use that term as it is much more correct/truthful than "Progressive" or "Liberal".... If they were truly liberal, then they would be for liberty.  Instead, they want us to regress back to a time of fully authoritarian/tyrannical government - hence they're not progressing, they're regressing.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 12:35 pm

I wonder how much information will come out of the Benghazi whistleblowers.... I seriously doubt the administration will ever take responsibility.


But will it be another Watergate (where the administration was disgraced), or another Fast & Furious (where the coverup worked)?


 


Considering how much the lamestream propoganda machine is covering up for Obama, I doubt anything will actually happen, no matter what information comes out about the coverup.  (I'm even seeing posts by some "reporters" making fun of / demonizing people wanting the truth to come out about Benghazi.)


 


 


Sadly, I doubt that the reasons why Obama did what he did will never come out.  There is information that is available, but it takes a while to put together.  I'd share it, but without the foundational information, it wouldn't make sense to the majority of you and would be misinterpreted as ranting.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 1:34 pm

Don't blame me!  I voted for Jill Stein and The Green Party!  No more New World Jesuit Disorder thank you very much!  All controlled puppets.  


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Report this May. 08 2013, 7:07 pm

It's all your fault, tannerps2004. The Jesuits control the Green party...(just kidding).

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Report this May. 09 2013, 9:36 am

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Please stop your foolishness, Obama is none of those things, and isen't it funny how you NEVER mention he killed Bin Laden, saved health care, the economy is improving , real estate is improving, so yes if we stop looking at all the negative we do have alot to be thankful.
DJ...  You sound as obnoxious as the Borg.... "resistance is futile".... repeating the same illogical untruthful stuff over and over.  Every single item I listed is a fact - verified and cited multiple times here on the forums.  If you want to lie to yourself to support your MESSiah, that's your choice, but those of us that deal if reality and facts and use logic will not believe you.


As for Obama "killing" OBL... you really ought to look into that.  While Obama did finally give the order to have the military do it, Obama had the information where OBL was for quite a while and had to "sleep on it" to make the final decision.  Even then, he also did a full CYA so that if things went wrong, he wouldn't take the blame.  (Complete opposite of a real leader.)  Any real president would have authorized the strike in less than a second as a "no brainer."


No, Obama has ruined medical care - you just can't/won't see it, but more and more of your ProRegressive comrades are starting to wake up to the facts and bailing.


 



 


No, the economy isn't doing better.  If you had any background in basic economics, you'd realize this....  (or just look at your increasing costs compared to your decreasing paycheck) but considering that you want to lie to cover up for your MESSiah, maybe you do realize this and just won't tell the truth.


 


I can't figure out if you're just a troll who's purposefully trying to make ProRegressives look incompetent, or you're someone like Julio Osequeda or like Peggy Joseph who thought that if she voted for Obama, Obama would pay her bills ... or like the ladies (along with thousands of others in Detroit) who wanted "free" Obama money....  In either case, you're showing a severe lack of integrity.  If you choose to continue to do this, then I'll just add you to my ignore list.  You choose - Integrity or deceit.  (I would prefer honest discourse.  We can agree to disagree, but you must be truthful to have a real conversation.)


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If you need to have an "ignore list" on a message board you are one disturb individual, I don't really care if i'm on it, you mean nothing to me, The Thread is called the President Obama Appreciation thread, not  the "Obama is a socialist bashing thread", and if I want to quote how much I like this President it is my right on this topic, and if anyone is "Trolling" on this board it is you with your immature cartoons and hate towards Obama speach, America loves this President, he's been given a second term, for those that do not you're free to leave, you will not be missed. Just to educate you read what the good things Obama has done at http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-Obama-done-since-January-20-2009.html#tp 


 


Greatness comes to those who really want to do anything to get it.

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Report this May. 09 2013, 11:16 am

And while I understand the appeal of socialism in its multiple forms, my research has not inclined me towards it due to the lack of compassion inherent in the systems that eventually form within socialism

Socialism is based on cooperation, capitalism is based on competition. Socialism is inherently more compassionate because people are working together for the benefit of everyone as opposed to capitalism where people are stepping over and exploiting each other for the benefit of themselves.

Checks and balances work but only if the rule of law is respected and the people using them are moral. That was the Founding Fathers whole point.

Again, the Founders were slaveowners and bankers who only formed the government to protect THEIR interests. They weren't moral or "Godly" men and they definitely don't deserve our reverence.

Also, like I said earlier, I believe I have the right to free speech-I think I read that somewhere

I'm not saying you don't have the right to free speech, I'm saying you don't have the right to complain. You're like a sports spectator b!tching about how player X lost the game for "your" team. If you prefer to sit on the sidelines then you have no right to complain about how the game is played.

The fact that I don't agree with the majority doesn't make the system flawed

No, but the fact that you disagree with the majority and you are still getting your way DOES make the system flawed. Case and point: gun control.

But people would have me belief that Obama is behaving nobly, keeping his word when reality he does many things he complained his predecessor and then some.

In many ways, Obama is continuing the Bush agenda. There's no question about that. The question is: If you never wanted the "radical change" Obama promised then why are you so upset? As someone on the "far" left, I feel that you are having your cake and eating it too.

DT, I get what you are arguing for, but that isn't what the United States was built on.

Believe me, I know this all too well.

Direct democracy, like I said, is nice-in small groups. On the scale of this country, currently, it is unmanageable. In fact, only 30% of Americans vote, so direct democracy would still end up becoming a small fraction of the population.

Before you said 40%, now it's only 30%? It's actually closer to 60% (in Presidental elections) but you do make a valid point. How do we get those other 40-70% of people to be more active in politics? As I have already said, the nature of republicanism is to have someone else make the decisions for you. This leads to voter apathy. I see direct democracy as the perfect solution for this problem because people would be more inclined to get involved in politics if they knew their vote actually counted/mattered.

As for how this could work on such a large scale, there's this thing called the internet now, I don't know if you've heard of it but... (sarcasm)

Also, DT and Bam-bam, can we quit with the ProRegressive term? Its a nonsensical word that adds nothing to the discussion.

Gladly. It's Bam's word and as you can see from his defense of using it, he doesn't know what the f*ck he is talking about.

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Report this May. 09 2013, 2:39 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 09 2013, 9:36 am

>If you need to have an "ignore list" on a message board you are one disturb individual, I don't really care if i'm on it, you mean nothing to me, The Thread is called the President Obama Appreciation thread, not  the "Obama is a socialist bashing thread", and if I want to quote how much I like this President it is my right on this topic, and if anyone is "Trolling" on this board it is you with your immature cartoons and hate towards Obama speach, America loves this President, he's been given a second term, for those that do not you're free to leave, you will not be missed. Just to educate you read what the good things Obama has done at http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-Obama-done-since-January-20-2009.html#tp 
I never asked that you stop adoring / worshiping your MESSiah (You have the Constitutional right to do so) - I've only asked that you tell the truth.  I will continue to tell the truth, even if you refuse.  You're free to consider the truth "immature" and can ignore those posts if you want.  The reason I have my ignore list is that it isn't productive reading/discussing things with the dishonest - it's just not possible to have a civilized conversation with them.  I've asked you to stop doing that, but you're choosing to continue on that track.  Per the TOU of these forums, I will no longer respond to you. (I've now added both of your accounts - DammitJim6200 & He'sDeadJim6400 to my add-on so I will not be able to see your posts.)


I really am sorry you've chosen that path.  I would much rather have an honest discussion with someone who fully disagrees with me than deal with people who won't be honest.


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Report this May. 09 2013, 6:32 pm

Someone sent me this and I thought it was great!


 


President's Enemy List


 


We don't do reserved parking spaces at work, but I'm thinking of making some and using these for signs....

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Report this May. 09 2013, 9:38 pm

Socialism is based on cooperation, capitalism is based on competition. Socialism is inherently more compassionate because people are working together for the benefit of everyone as opposed to capitalism where people are stepping over and exploiting each other for the benefit of themselves.


You and I will agree to disagree on socialilsm. My study of history and different socialist ideals (statist, not and otherwise) have left me skeptical if not out and out concerned about how humans become under a socialist model.
Again, you and I will agree to disagree. I don't trust socialism-I think it runs contrary to human nature in the long run and ends up destroying itself, or becoming a tyranny.



Again, the Founders were slaveowners and bankers who only formed the government to protect THEIR interests. They weren't moral or "Godly" men and they definitely don't deserve our reverence.


I don't revere them-I don't revere any human being. I have respect for them and consider their opinion regarding the formation of this nation and government in general. I have no doubt you have people you respect their opinion and such.


 




I'm not saying you don't have the right to free speech, I'm saying you don't have the right to complain. You're like a sports spectator b!tching about how player X lost the game for "your" team. If you prefer to sit on the sidelines then you have no right to complain about how the game is played.


Because I'm out of the game how?



No, but the fact that you disagree with the majority and you are still getting your way DOES make the system flawed. Case and point: gun control.


I'm not sure I follow the gun control point. Most Americans are in favor of the second ammendment. They are just uniformed regarding the actual rate of crime and gun violence.



In many ways, Obama is continuing the Bush agenda. There's no question about that. The question is: If you never wanted the "radical change" Obama promised then why are you so upset? As someone on the "far" left, I feel that you are having your cake and eating it too.


I'm not sure how you think I'm "upset." I disagree with Obama and his vision of America and have stated as such. I am not happy about Obamacare getting shoved through Congress without so much as an opportunity to read the bill.




Believe me, I know this all too well.


I'm sorry you are offended by this.



Before you said 40%, now it's only 30%? It's actually closer to 60% (in Presidental elections) but you do make a valid point. How do we get those other 40-70% of people to be more active in politics? As I have already said, the nature of republicanism is to have someone else make the decisions for you. This leads to voter apathy. I see direct democracy as the perfect solution for this problem because people would be more inclined to get involved in politics if they knew their vote actually counted/mattered.

As for how this could work on such a large scale, there's this thing called the internet now, I don't know if you've heard of it but... (sarcasm)


I used an old book, from my college days so you'll excuse the two different numbers. I think we can both agree that Americans are not involved in government.



You have a point regarding the internet, but I still think direct democracy is something that would not work in America. I am still inclined towards republicanism, but, as those wonderful Founding Fathers said (you know you love them ) this system of government is built for moral people-it is ill suited for any other population. Guess what? America is becoming less more moral, and more indulgent. Honestly, I see more parallels to Rome and America than any other society.


 



Gladly. It's Bam's word and as you can see from his defense of using it, he doesn't know what the f*ck he is talking about.


You can leave out the profanity to. I find it hard to take people seriously when they do.


Oh, and I agree with Bam still to, even if I don't like the word.

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Report this May. 10 2013, 8:49 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 09 2013, 9:38 pm

>I'm not sure I follow the gun control point. Most Americans are in favor of the second ammendment. They are just uniformed regarding the actual rate of crime and gun violence.
I was reading a research article a few days ago and they brought up some interesting statistics provided by the government's own Bureau of Justice Statistics.


- Even with the highly media covered gun violence of late, the amount of gun violence is actually going down from their peak 20 years ago.


- The cities with the strongest anti-gun legislation have the highest gun-related crime.  If the US removes the statistics of gun violence from the cities with the toughest anti-gun laws, gun violence across the USA would drop so much that it would place the USA in the bottom ten countries in the world in gun violence.


- The vast majority of the crimes commited with a gun were with a handgun, not the "assault weapons" that the politicians want to outlaw.


- California had the most gun murders in 2011, despite being named the state with the strongest gun control laws by the Brady Campaign the same year.


- In DC, after the Heller decision in 2008, murders are now less than half of what they were when the decision was made.  They're also now the lowest number since the gun ban was enacted in 1976.


 


I can't remember all of the information, but they were all pretty much common sense stuff that the government's numbers validated.


 


 


 


As one politician said (to a rape victim who was not allowed to protect herself,) “What we are trying to do here tonight is not to protect ourselves from violent crime. What we are trying to do here tonight is prevent students and teachers from feeling uncomfortable by you carrying a gun to protect yourself,”  Yea... so someone feeling uncomfortable around a Constitutional right is more important than protecting yourself from a violent crime???

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Report this May. 10 2013, 8:52 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 09 2013, 9:38 pm

>You have a point regarding the internet, but I still think direct democracy is something that would not work in America. I am still inclined towards republicanism, but, as those wonderful Founding Fathers said (you know you love them ) this system of government is built for moral people-it is ill suited for any other population. Guess what? America is becoming less more moral, and more indulgent. Honestly, I see more parallels to Rome and America than any other society.
I've never understood why people support the concept of democracy, where the tyranny of the majority can strip away the rights of the minority.  What's the old saying, democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner?

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Report this May. 10 2013, 8:56 am

Wow.... the IRS (Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups) came out and actually admitted that they targeted "Tea Party" and "Patriot" groups last year...


Yes, we all knew they were doing it...  I'm only a stunned that they're actually admitting it.


 


Update:  And Obama says he didn't know anything about it.... So riddle me this:  The IRS Commissioner visited the White House 157 times during Obama's presidency (but only visited Bush once in eight years) - way more than any other person - including the cabinet.... and Obama says he didn't know?  Really???


 



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Report this May. 10 2013, 9:02 am

Wow... Even ABC is starting to understand that the White House is covering up the Benghazi fiasco: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

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Report this May. 10 2013, 9:08 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 09 2013, 9:38 pm

>I'm not sure how you think I'm "upset." I disagree with Obama and his vision of America and have stated as such. I am not happy about Obamacare getting shoved through Congress without so much as an opportunity to read the bill.
Pelosi did tell us that they had to pass the bill so that we could find out what's in it...  And the more that people find out, the more they hate it.

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