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The President Obama appreciation thread

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Report this May. 06 2013, 10:56 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:40 am

>The fact that his government allowed a US Ambassador to be killed without even a hint of them caring appalls me.
And the standdown order stopping nearby military help.... and the subsequent blaming of a video .... and other things the administration has done to try to cover up this terrorism.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:08 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:40 am

>The fact that the Democrats had 2 years of just them in power and they ram through a health care legislation so large that NO ONE ever read it and only now are realizing just how massive a bureaucracy they have unleashed.
Yep - they had to pass it so we can find out what is in it....


And the more people find out... and the more time that goes along... the worse and costlier it gets - just like every other entitlement program.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:11 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:40 am

>Our economy is growing anemically, at best and people are still leaving the work force.
I'm not really sure the economy is "growing" unless we want to throw out the money bubble the government and the Federal Reserve is creating along with the devaluation of the dollar.


Yes - more and more people are leaving the workforce and we now have record numbers of people receiving welfare.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:15 am

Quote: troy.arbogast @ May. 06 2013, 9:58 am

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>Obama is not my president. I will never call him my president. he has ruined this country so bad that its going to have to take 16 years of ron paul to fix it

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Can't rely just on a single person to fix things.  As a nation, we citizens need to take responsibility and address as many of the problems as we can locally.  We need to clear out Congress of all anti-American / anti-Constitutional politicians as well as voting in a president who understands and believes in the Constitution.  Even then, it's going to take a while.  It's taken the ProRegressives a century to get this far, so we can't turn around on a dime.  (This is explained by the concept called the "Overton Window.")

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:52 am

Interesting how Obama tells graduates to reject those of us warning about government tyranny.... He might have just said "These are not the droids your looking for" or "ignore history" or "stick your head in the sand."


He's sounding more and more like King George.


 


"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."

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Report this May. 06 2013, 8:16 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 06 2013, 11:15 am

Quote: troy.arbogast @ May. 06 2013, 9:58 am

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>Obama is not my president. I will never call him my president. he has ruined this country so bad that its going to have to take 16 years of ron paul to fix it

>
Can't rely just on a single person to fix things.  As a nation, we citizens need to take responsibility and address as many of the problems as we can locally.  We need to clear out Congress of all anti-American / anti-Constitutional politicians as well as voting in a president who understands and believes in the Constitution.  Even then, it's going to take a while.  It's taken the ProRegressives a century to get this far, so we can't turn around on a dime.  (This is explained by the concept called the "Overton Window.")


See, here's my thing. People are convinced that we "must do something!" in order to save the economy. Bail out the banks, bail out the auto industry, without recognizing both federal regulations hands in causing those failures and not letting the market and laws actually work.


I like what Larry Kudlow says in that we don't need government regulation-we need pro growth policies and less government intervention.


But this is contrary to our culture now because people are convinced that government must save us!


People say, well if you don't want the government to do anything, why blame them for the failure? Because they claim to be accomplshing so much and looking busy and all the while the ship sinks

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Report this May. 07 2013, 8:26 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:16 pm

>See, here's my thing. People are convinced that we "must do something!" in order to save the economy. Bail out the banks, bail out the auto industry, without recognizing both federal regulations hands in causing those failures and not letting the market and laws actually work.

>I like what Larry Kudlow says in that we don't need government regulation-we need pro growth policies and less government intervention.

>But this is contrary to our culture now because people are convinced that government must save us!

>People say, well if you don't want the government to do anything, why blame them for the failure? Because they claim to be accomplshing so much and looking busy and all the while the ship sinks
Exactly... We can take a look at anything, from the economy to gun violence, and see that much of the blame goes directly to government trying to control us... and when it makes things worse, they "must do something".... even if it's not logical or ethical or Constitutional.  Our problem is that the citizens, after decades of government indoctrination, now believe that only government can solve problems.  Pretty soon, it'll be Directive 10-289.


If we listen to the government propoganda, they say that we can't do anything without government help.  And if we succeed, we owe the government our reward, but if we fail... that can be passed along to the other taxpayers as well.

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Report this May. 07 2013, 8:13 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 07 2013, 8:26 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:16 pm

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>See, here's my thing. People are convinced that we "must do something!" in order to save the economy. Bail out the banks, bail out the auto industry, without recognizing both federal regulations hands in causing those failures and not letting the market and laws actually work.

>I like what Larry Kudlow says in that we don't need government regulation-we need pro growth policies and less government intervention.

>But this is contrary to our culture now because people are convinced that government must save us!

>People say, well if you don't want the government to do anything, why blame them for the failure? Because they claim to be accomplshing so much and looking busy and all the while the ship sinks
Exactly... We can take a look at anything, from the economy to gun violence, and see that much of the blame goes directly to government trying to control us... and when it makes things worse, they "must do something".... even if it's not logical or ethical or Constitutional.  Our problem is that the citizens, after decades of government indoctrination, now believe that only government can solve problems.  Pretty soon, it'll be Directive 10-289.

If we listen to the government propoganda, they say that we can't do anything without government help.  And if we succeed, we owe the government our reward, but if we fail... that can be passed along to the other taxpayers as well.


Really couldn't have said it better myself.


It frustrates me that government leaders can play pass the buck and avoid responsibility but we must be responsible citizens and pay our dues to the government. Even Obama's Secretary of the Treasury (among others) failed to pay his taxes. That just doesn't make any sense to me at all.


There is no responsibility taken amongst Americans anymore, it seems. Ok, that was a generalized statement but I feel that American society is less and less taking responsibility and more and more expecting the government to intervene, at least on a national level.

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Report this May. 07 2013, 8:28 pm

@Fireproof/Bam

Like I said before, if republicanism is your preferred form of government then you have no right to complain and only yourself to blame. You're the ones fighting for government control and salvation. You're the ones who believe that a handful of politicians in Washington can somehow be trusted to put the interests of their constituents before their own. You're the ones who support the Constitution and the convoluted system of checks and balances designed by slaveowners and bankers to keep democracy and the will of the majority at bay. You are the "ProRegressives."

Also, Fireproof, in the conservative/libertarian thread you claimed to agree with the Tea Party. I wasn't trying to pigeonhole you. And if you want more information about what form of socialism I am advocating, I suggest reading these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism

Apologies in advance for using an unbiased source. (sarcasm)

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Report this May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

DT,


thanks for the links. I will do my best to treat them as primary sources


I know that I said that I agree with the Tea Party but not 100% anymore than I agree with Republicans 100%, conservatives 100% and things like that.


And while I understand the appeal of socialism in its multiple forms, my research has not inclined me towards it due to the lack of compassion inherent in the systems that eventually form within socialism. By the way, I read more about it here: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Libertarian_socialism.html


Checks and balances work but only if the rule of law is respected and the people using them are moral. That was the Founding Fathers whole point.


Also, like I said earlier, I believe I have the right to free speech-I think I read that somewhere


I have representatives who I feel represent my interests. The fact that I don't agree with the majority doesn't make the system flawed-I just disagree with the choices being made. I wasn't aware that government had to go MY way all the time for me not to have an opinion.


I want a limited government with some control. I don't want an all seeing, all knowing government that provides me with cradle to grave services. I don't need the government to tell me how to spend my money, what to eat or what to drive.


I appreciate the government for services such as the military, the treasury (not the Fed-let's be clear), safety regulations (to a degree. Like I said, it has gotten excessive, at least in my trade).


Yes, I would like to believe that people can be honest and when they say they are going to do something, they try to do it. Some, when my Representative says they belief in something and will fight for it, and I agree with them, I expect them to follow through. If they don't, they don't get elected again. It's really rather simple.


But people would have me belief that Obama is behaving nobly, keeping his word when reality he does many things he complained his predecessor and then some.


DT, I get what you are arguing for, but that isn't what the United States was built on. Direct democracy, like I said, is nice-in small groups. On the scale of this country, currently, it is unmanageable. In fact, only 30% of Americans vote, so direct democracy would still end up becoming a small fraction of the population.


Also, DT and Bam-bam, can we quit with the ProRegressive term? Its a nonsensical word that adds nothing to the discussion.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 8:09 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

>thanks for the links. I will do my best to treat them as primary sources
Let me guess.... DT cited some opinion blog or a wiki as a primary source....


 


Edit:  I was just watching a documentary talking about education, and one of their people cited a Department of Education study showing that ~95% of high school graduates don't know how to use a primary source document.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 8:16 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

>Also, DT and Bam-bam, can we quit with the ProRegressive term? Its a nonsensical word that adds nothing to the discussion.
I use that term as it is much more correct/truthful than "Progressive" or "Liberal".... If they were truly liberal, then they would be for liberty.  Instead, they want us to regress back to a time of fully authoritarian/tyrannical government - hence they're not progressing, they're regressing.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 12:35 pm

I wonder how much information will come out of the Benghazi whistleblowers.... I seriously doubt the administration will ever take responsibility.


But will it be another Watergate (where the administration was disgraced), or another Fast & Furious (where the coverup worked)?


 


Considering how much the lamestream propoganda machine is covering up for Obama, I doubt anything will actually happen, no matter what information comes out about the coverup.  (I'm even seeing posts by some "reporters" making fun of / demonizing people wanting the truth to come out about Benghazi.)


 


 


Sadly, I doubt that the reasons why Obama did what he did will never come out.  There is information that is available, but it takes a while to put together.  I'd share it, but without the foundational information, it wouldn't make sense to the majority of you and would be misinterpreted as ranting.

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Report this May. 08 2013, 1:34 pm

Don't blame me!  I voted for Jill Stein and The Green Party!  No more New World Jesuit Disorder thank you very much!  All controlled puppets.  


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Report this May. 08 2013, 7:07 pm

It's all your fault, tannerps2004. The Jesuits control the Green party...(just kidding).

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