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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this May. 05 2013, 10:12 am

Here we go again with Obama going to another country and bashing America.... this time going to Mexico and blaming the USA for their violence problems.

He'sDeadJim6400

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Report this May. 06 2013, 3:03 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 04 2013, 10:16 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 03 2013, 7:46 pm

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>Look..I know it seems hard to understand, but Obama is doing the right things, hell, he dip into my pockets TOO, but instead of hating him I know that in the long run he'll give us a great country, he's cleaning up Bush's screw ups the economy is growing, people are starting to work again, so stop it and be happy, ten years from now you'll thank ME and Obama.  
No, DJ, the facts aren't hard to understand, but they aren't stopping you from ignoring them.  At least you finally admit that Obama lied about taxing you....

Us be thankful for Obama?!?!?!?  Hmmm.... let's look at some of the confirmed facts that you're thankful for:

- Obama illegally smuggled arms to two countries (that we know of.)
- Higher taxes
- Attacks on business leaders (unless they're in Obama's pocket)
- Thousands of more anti-business regulations
- Record numbers of people on entitlements
- Record numbers of people who've stopped looking for work.
- Class warfare
- Terrorists for friends
- Forcing Christians to go against their religion.
- Record debt - Obama is on track to increase it more than all previous 43 presidents combined.
- Arming our enemies.
- Loss of our AAA Credit rating
- More entitlements
- Self proclaimed communists working in the White House
- Dramatically increasing medical care costs.
- Causing a shortage of medical care professionals.
- Officially declared that Veterans, Christians and supporters of the Constitution are terrorists.
- Got a US Ambassador killed and refused to send reinforcements
- Started a messive child indoctrination program via "Common Core"
- Pushed to have businesses move overseas.
- Attacked the sovereignty of every state on multiple issues
- Sued several of them to enforce unConstitutional laws.
- Pushing for even more abortion by allowing children access to it without parental knowledge.
- Heavily increasing energy costs.
- Czars
- Releasing illegal aliens (de facto amnesty)
- Violated contract law
- Solyndra, First Solar, etc.
- Oil drilling moratorium.
- Gave taxpayer money to unions

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Yea.... I can go on and on and on.

 

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion."

 

I will never be thankful for a socialist in the White House or government tyranny.  I'm not thankful for Wilson nor Roosevelt nor Carter nor Bush or any other ProRegressive, so why should I be thankful for Obama?

 

The only positive thing I can say about Obama's tenure is that it's starting to wake up the American citizens to the dangers of government tyranny and how far it's come.  I'm starting to see more and more people actually reading history and understand Obama's agenda.


Please stop your foolishness, Obama is none of those things, and isen't it funny how you NEVER mention he killed Bin Laden, saved health care, the economy is improving , real estate is improving, so yes if we stop looking at all the negative we do have alot to be thankful. 


Greatness comes to those who really want to do anything to get it.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 8:40 am

Oh, I am very thankful for my country.


I am not thankful for Obama.


As for bin Laden, he was killed when it was politically expedient, not tactically significant.


The fact that his government allowed a US Ambassador to be killed without even a hint of them caring appalls me.


The fact that the Democrats had 2 years of just them in power and they ram through a health care legislation so large that NO ONE ever read it and only now are realizing just how massive a bureaucracy they have unleashed.


Our economy is growing anemically, at best and people are still leaving the work force.


His Justice Department selectively prosecutes racism cases, argues that the Abortion Pill should be given to kids and allowed 1,000's of guns to pass over the boarder, resulting in two boarder agents being killed, and who knows how many Mexican citizens.


The list goes on and on.


President Obama is one of the few presidents I know to be able to avoid every scandal he is responsible for. That disgusts me even more.

troy.arbogast

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Report this May. 06 2013, 9:58 am

Obama is not my president. I will never call him my president. he has ruined this country so bad that its going to have to take 16 years of ron paul to fix it

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this May. 06 2013, 10:42 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 06 2013, 3:03 am

>Please stop your foolishness, Obama is none of those things, and isen't it funny how you NEVER mention he killed Bin Laden, saved health care, the economy is improving , real estate is improving, so yes if we stop looking at all the negative we do have alot to be thankful.
DJ...  You sound as obnoxious as the Borg.... "resistance is futile".... repeating the same illogical untruthful stuff over and over.  Every single item I listed is a fact - verified and cited multiple times here on the forums.  If you want to lie to yourself to support your MESSiah, that's your choice, but those of us that deal if reality and facts and use logic will not believe you.


As for Obama "killing" OBL... you really ought to look into that.  While Obama did finally give the order to have the military do it, Obama had the information where OBL was for quite a while and had to "sleep on it" to make the final decision.  Even then, he also did a full CYA so that if things went wrong, he wouldn't take the blame.  (Complete opposite of a real leader.)  Any real president would have authorized the strike in less than a second as a "no brainer."


No, Obama has ruined medical care - you just can't/won't see it, but more and more of your ProRegressive comrades are starting to wake up to the facts and bailing.


 



 


No, the economy isn't doing better.  If you had any background in basic economics, you'd realize this....  (or just look at your increasing costs compared to your decreasing paycheck) but considering that you want to lie to cover up for your MESSiah, maybe you do realize this and just won't tell the truth.


 


I can't figure out if you're just a troll who's purposefully trying to make ProRegressives look incompetent, or you're someone like Julio Osequeda or like Peggy Joseph who thought that if she voted for Obama, Obama would pay her bills ... or like the ladies (along with thousands of others in Detroit) who wanted "free" Obama money....  In either case, you're showing a severe lack of integrity.  If you choose to continue to do this, then I'll just add you to my ignore list.  You choose - Integrity or deceit.  (I would prefer honest discourse.  We can agree to disagree, but you must be truthful to have a real conversation.)


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Report this May. 06 2013, 10:56 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:40 am

>The fact that his government allowed a US Ambassador to be killed without even a hint of them caring appalls me.
And the standdown order stopping nearby military help.... and the subsequent blaming of a video .... and other things the administration has done to try to cover up this terrorism.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:08 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:40 am

>The fact that the Democrats had 2 years of just them in power and they ram through a health care legislation so large that NO ONE ever read it and only now are realizing just how massive a bureaucracy they have unleashed.
Yep - they had to pass it so we can find out what is in it....


And the more people find out... and the more time that goes along... the worse and costlier it gets - just like every other entitlement program.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:11 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:40 am

>Our economy is growing anemically, at best and people are still leaving the work force.
I'm not really sure the economy is "growing" unless we want to throw out the money bubble the government and the Federal Reserve is creating along with the devaluation of the dollar.


Yes - more and more people are leaving the workforce and we now have record numbers of people receiving welfare.

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:15 am

Quote: troy.arbogast @ May. 06 2013, 9:58 am

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>Obama is not my president. I will never call him my president. he has ruined this country so bad that its going to have to take 16 years of ron paul to fix it

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Can't rely just on a single person to fix things.  As a nation, we citizens need to take responsibility and address as many of the problems as we can locally.  We need to clear out Congress of all anti-American / anti-Constitutional politicians as well as voting in a president who understands and believes in the Constitution.  Even then, it's going to take a while.  It's taken the ProRegressives a century to get this far, so we can't turn around on a dime.  (This is explained by the concept called the "Overton Window.")

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Report this May. 06 2013, 11:52 am

Interesting how Obama tells graduates to reject those of us warning about government tyranny.... He might have just said "These are not the droids your looking for" or "ignore history" or "stick your head in the sand."


He's sounding more and more like King George.


 


"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."

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Report this May. 06 2013, 8:16 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 06 2013, 11:15 am

Quote: troy.arbogast @ May. 06 2013, 9:58 am

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>Obama is not my president. I will never call him my president. he has ruined this country so bad that its going to have to take 16 years of ron paul to fix it

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Can't rely just on a single person to fix things.  As a nation, we citizens need to take responsibility and address as many of the problems as we can locally.  We need to clear out Congress of all anti-American / anti-Constitutional politicians as well as voting in a president who understands and believes in the Constitution.  Even then, it's going to take a while.  It's taken the ProRegressives a century to get this far, so we can't turn around on a dime.  (This is explained by the concept called the "Overton Window.")


See, here's my thing. People are convinced that we "must do something!" in order to save the economy. Bail out the banks, bail out the auto industry, without recognizing both federal regulations hands in causing those failures and not letting the market and laws actually work.


I like what Larry Kudlow says in that we don't need government regulation-we need pro growth policies and less government intervention.


But this is contrary to our culture now because people are convinced that government must save us!


People say, well if you don't want the government to do anything, why blame them for the failure? Because they claim to be accomplshing so much and looking busy and all the while the ship sinks

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Report this May. 07 2013, 8:26 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:16 pm

>See, here's my thing. People are convinced that we "must do something!" in order to save the economy. Bail out the banks, bail out the auto industry, without recognizing both federal regulations hands in causing those failures and not letting the market and laws actually work.

>I like what Larry Kudlow says in that we don't need government regulation-we need pro growth policies and less government intervention.

>But this is contrary to our culture now because people are convinced that government must save us!

>People say, well if you don't want the government to do anything, why blame them for the failure? Because they claim to be accomplshing so much and looking busy and all the while the ship sinks
Exactly... We can take a look at anything, from the economy to gun violence, and see that much of the blame goes directly to government trying to control us... and when it makes things worse, they "must do something".... even if it's not logical or ethical or Constitutional.  Our problem is that the citizens, after decades of government indoctrination, now believe that only government can solve problems.  Pretty soon, it'll be Directive 10-289.


If we listen to the government propoganda, they say that we can't do anything without government help.  And if we succeed, we owe the government our reward, but if we fail... that can be passed along to the other taxpayers as well.

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Report this May. 07 2013, 8:13 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 07 2013, 8:26 am

Quote: fireproof78 @ May. 06 2013, 8:16 pm

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>See, here's my thing. People are convinced that we "must do something!" in order to save the economy. Bail out the banks, bail out the auto industry, without recognizing both federal regulations hands in causing those failures and not letting the market and laws actually work.

>I like what Larry Kudlow says in that we don't need government regulation-we need pro growth policies and less government intervention.

>But this is contrary to our culture now because people are convinced that government must save us!

>People say, well if you don't want the government to do anything, why blame them for the failure? Because they claim to be accomplshing so much and looking busy and all the while the ship sinks
Exactly... We can take a look at anything, from the economy to gun violence, and see that much of the blame goes directly to government trying to control us... and when it makes things worse, they "must do something".... even if it's not logical or ethical or Constitutional.  Our problem is that the citizens, after decades of government indoctrination, now believe that only government can solve problems.  Pretty soon, it'll be Directive 10-289.

If we listen to the government propoganda, they say that we can't do anything without government help.  And if we succeed, we owe the government our reward, but if we fail... that can be passed along to the other taxpayers as well.


Really couldn't have said it better myself.


It frustrates me that government leaders can play pass the buck and avoid responsibility but we must be responsible citizens and pay our dues to the government. Even Obama's Secretary of the Treasury (among others) failed to pay his taxes. That just doesn't make any sense to me at all.


There is no responsibility taken amongst Americans anymore, it seems. Ok, that was a generalized statement but I feel that American society is less and less taking responsibility and more and more expecting the government to intervene, at least on a national level.

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Report this May. 07 2013, 8:28 pm

@Fireproof/Bam

Like I said before, if republicanism is your preferred form of government then you have no right to complain and only yourself to blame. You're the ones fighting for government control and salvation. You're the ones who believe that a handful of politicians in Washington can somehow be trusted to put the interests of their constituents before their own. You're the ones who support the Constitution and the convoluted system of checks and balances designed by slaveowners and bankers to keep democracy and the will of the majority at bay. You are the "ProRegressives."

Also, Fireproof, in the conservative/libertarian thread you claimed to agree with the Tea Party. I wasn't trying to pigeonhole you. And if you want more information about what form of socialism I am advocating, I suggest reading these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism

Apologies in advance for using an unbiased source. (sarcasm)

fireproof78

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Report this May. 08 2013, 12:13 am

DT,


thanks for the links. I will do my best to treat them as primary sources


I know that I said that I agree with the Tea Party but not 100% anymore than I agree with Republicans 100%, conservatives 100% and things like that.


And while I understand the appeal of socialism in its multiple forms, my research has not inclined me towards it due to the lack of compassion inherent in the systems that eventually form within socialism. By the way, I read more about it here: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Libertarian_socialism.html


Checks and balances work but only if the rule of law is respected and the people using them are moral. That was the Founding Fathers whole point.


Also, like I said earlier, I believe I have the right to free speech-I think I read that somewhere


I have representatives who I feel represent my interests. The fact that I don't agree with the majority doesn't make the system flawed-I just disagree with the choices being made. I wasn't aware that government had to go MY way all the time for me not to have an opinion.


I want a limited government with some control. I don't want an all seeing, all knowing government that provides me with cradle to grave services. I don't need the government to tell me how to spend my money, what to eat or what to drive.


I appreciate the government for services such as the military, the treasury (not the Fed-let's be clear), safety regulations (to a degree. Like I said, it has gotten excessive, at least in my trade).


Yes, I would like to believe that people can be honest and when they say they are going to do something, they try to do it. Some, when my Representative says they belief in something and will fight for it, and I agree with them, I expect them to follow through. If they don't, they don't get elected again. It's really rather simple.


But people would have me belief that Obama is behaving nobly, keeping his word when reality he does many things he complained his predecessor and then some.


DT, I get what you are arguing for, but that isn't what the United States was built on. Direct democracy, like I said, is nice-in small groups. On the scale of this country, currently, it is unmanageable. In fact, only 30% of Americans vote, so direct democracy would still end up becoming a small fraction of the population.


Also, DT and Bam-bam, can we quit with the ProRegressive term? Its a nonsensical word that adds nothing to the discussion.

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