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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 19 2013, 6:35 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Apr. 10 2013, 11:35 am

>I looked at my check last week and it's smaller, I said what the @$#$ !!.
BTW, DJ....


Are you one of those "evil", "greedy" "rich" people who make "too much money", or are you calling your MESSiah a liar for raising your taxes when he said he wouldn't?


 


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Report this Apr. 25 2013, 2:58 am

Look...I thought Obama would increase taxes on those rich stiffs, not hard working middle class people like me...But i know that the WEASEL George W Bush put us in major turmoil, so if I have to suffer so Obama can make things right, so be it, Obama wouldn't lie to me.. Only that pasty face mean Paul Ryan tells lies .  


Greatness comes to those who really want to do anything to get it.

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Report this Apr. 25 2013, 10:43 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Apr. 25 2013, 2:58 am

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>Look...I thought Obama would increase taxes on those rich stiffs, not hard working middle class people like me...But i know that the WEASEL George W Bush put us in major turmoil, so if I have to suffer so Obama can make things right, so be it, Obama wouldn't lie to me.. Only that pasty face mean Paul Ryan tells lies .  

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You're too funny....  You demand that we respect Obama as president, but you refuse to respect Bush as president - showing your duplicity.  And then you admit that you're paying more taxes, but won't admit that Obama lied to you about raising your taxes.  You can't have it both ways.


 


Reminds me of Obama ... complaining about Bush doing something then Obama turns around and does the same thing in a bigger way:


- Obama complained about PATRIOT Act then he renewed it and extended it.


- Obama complained about Bush spending then he spends a whole lot more.


 


And we could (and have in the past) list many, many other examples.  Just think of pretty much anything you complain about Bush doing and Obama's pretty much done it too - just more.

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Report this Apr. 25 2013, 12:12 pm

so please explain to me how government secures more freedoms for me?

Do you honestly need examples of government securing freedom for you? I mean, assuming you're white and male, the government has done quite a bit to secure your freedom over the past 200+ years. If not, there are the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments for starters.

By the way, I mentioned the gun control thing as a point that the market will balance itself, not that Obama has done anything exciting regarding that market, despite the hype.

I didn't say the boost in sales would last forever, I just said that you have benefited directly from "the hype." This contradicts your claim that Obama's expansion of government power has given you nothing in return.

Explain to me how government running everything makes it all better?

This is not my position. Despite the few instances where they do something I agree with, I don't think a handful of corruptable politicians in Washington should run everything. I favor direct democracy as opposed to republicanism. However, as a self-labeled member of the Tea Party and as someone who appears to be advocating strict constructionalism, I do not see what your problem is with government running everything. The whole point of republicanism is to have the government make decisions for you. If this is your preferred form of government then you have no right to be upset if and when said government makes a decision you disagree with.

Let me back up a little. I used to believe that if the government could just make laws for people to be better, then life would be better. I used to wish for a government that would come in and make everything fair, like the referee at a game. I want people to be able to treat each other nicely and to treat others they like they want to be treated. I thought, more laws would mean better society.

The problem is, as I learned and paid more attention, more laws does not make better people. People are still going to be greedy-that is human nature. You will not fix that through government mandates. I don't think unbriddled greed is the answer-no where have I argued for a completely deregulated market. I am not a libertarian, and if you read the quotes I cited, from Founding Fathers, you'll note that there is a general threat to liberty if the government keeps asserting himself for the general good. As one of my friends put it goverment is the antithesis of freedom. To increase government is to decrease liberty.

You claim "to increase government is to decrease liberty" yet you do not want a completely deregulated market. Which regulations do you agree with? Which don't you agree with? Why?

I get why people like socialism, but it is not for me. For myself, speaking from my personal experience and research, people given the freedom to do what they like with their money, and not having to worry about 60% of their income going to various government pots, are more generous. There was a family in my community, no relation to myself or anyone else, who just had a baby and needed some help. The government didn't step in and provide meals-their friends and community did.

Now, there has been banter about regarding the definition of socialism and some will say that what we did is socialist-ok, fine, call it that. My research in to socialism has not indicated that it is defined that way, despite arguments to the contrary. Point is, people stepped up to help with no government intervention. There is no compassion in government programs while people can be very compassionate if given the opportunity.

I posted this before in the "Socialism" thread:

"Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. 'Social ownership' may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

I don't know how anyone can read that article or even that little snippet and still equate all socialism with statism.

Someone needs to tell me how we are in this black and white situation of either "corporations" or "the government" running everything, like somehow its a one or the other thing. I mean, I'm not a Buddhist but there is something to be said for finding a middle way here.

There is no middle way between corporate rule and government rule because both are oligarchy. Since the opposite extreme is anarchy, the middle way would be direct democracy.

Talking about Obama-I don't expect him to do anything to "create jobs" because that isn't government's role. He hasn't actually created jobs and I wonder when the economy becomes his responsibility and not blaming it on Bush Jr. I truly wonder that...

If it's not up to Obama or the government to create jobs then how/why should he/they take responsibility for the economy?

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Report this Apr. 26 2013, 11:09 am

Yes, Mr. Obama.... We know what you're doing is intentional:


 


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Report this Apr. 26 2013, 4:51 pm

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Look...I thought Obama would increase taxes on those rich stiffs, not hard working middle class people like me...But i know that the WEASEL George W Bush put us in major turmoil, so if I have to suffer so Obama can make things right, so be it, Obama wouldn't lie to me.. Only that pasty face mean Paul Ryan tells lies .  


[/quote]You're too funny....  You demand that we respect Obama as president, but you refuse to respect Bush as president - showing your duplicity.  And then you admit that you're paying more taxes, but won't admit that Obama lied to you about raising your taxes.  You can't have it both ways.


 


Reminds me of Obama ... complaining about Bush doing something then Obama turns around and does the same thing in a bigger way:


- Obama complained about PATRIOT Act then he renewed it and extended it.


- Obama complained about Bush spending then he spends a whole lot more.


 


And we could (and have in the past) list many, many other examples.  Just think of pretty much anything you complain about Bush doing and Obama's pretty much done it too - just more.


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Yeah, I can't respect  President George W BUSH who knew about 9-11 and did nothing to stop it, a looney President who NEVER went after Bin laden, yet started a TRILLION DALLOR WAR and screwed up the ECONOMY now Obama had to clean up his messes, Yup, I find it hard to give such a President repect.


Greatness comes to those who really want to do anything to get it.

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Report this Apr. 27 2013, 6:26 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Apr. 26 2013, 4:51 pm

>Yeah, I can't respect  President George W BUSH who knew about 9-11 and did nothing to stop it, a looney President who NEVER went after Bin laden, yet started a TRILLION DALLOR WAR and screwed up the ECONOMY now Obama had to clean up his messes, Yup, I find it hard to give such a President repect.
Good... now since you can't respect a president that you disagree with, how can you demand someone else respect a president we disagree with?


Moving along.... Why do you think that Bush knew about 9-11 before it happened?  Does that mean that Obama knew about all the terrorists attacks in the USA before they happened too?


And how did he screw up the economy?  Since Obama is doing pretty much the same as Bush (only bigger & faster,) what does that mean to the economy?


Please be specific and factual.  Ignore the name & political party of the person holding office - just look at their words and actions.

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Report this Apr. 27 2013, 7:19 am

As expected, the administration, via illegal gun runner Eric Holder, considers granting citizenship to illegal aliens a "civil and human right."


 


So everyone on the world has the "civil and human right" to illegally invade our country and become a citizen???

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Report this Apr. 29 2013, 8:45 pm



First of all, please understand that some of statements are either hyperbolic or sarcastic-it’s a natural defense against the stupidity of life. I will try to be more clear in my posts, but statements such as “government running everything” is a hyperbole, as I obviously have no problems with having a government and there are some things that government will run. I just disagree with some things they do, a lot of what the Democratic party wants to do in this country and I disagree with Obama.


By the way, this is the essence of American government-discussion. American government was born out of political discussions between Washington, Franklin and others in bars. There should be discussion not just blind following.


Anyway, DT, here is my responses, though I doubt they will satisfy you.




Do you honestly need examples of government securing freedom for you? I mean, assuming you're white and male, the government has done quite a bit to secure your freedom over the past 200+ years. If not, there are the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments for starters.

Securing and protecting are two different things. Securing involves creating and/or giving me more freedoms, while protecting can involve expanding or defining in more clear terms freedoms previously established. In the case of the above listed ammendements, they did not create/secure more freedoms. They expanded the definition of previously defined freedoms.


See, viewers at home, I can split hairs too (that was sarcastic.)


 


By the way, I mentioned the gun control thing as a point that the market will balance itself, not that Obama has done anything exciting regarding that market, despite the hype.

I didn't say the boost in sales would last forever, I just said that you have benefited directly from "the hype." This contradicts your claim that Obama's expansion of government power has given you nothing in return.


Temporary boost followed by lack of product and inability to sell what customers actually want due to government created artificial scarcity. Yep, I’m really benefiting here… (more sarcasm here)



This is not my position. Despite the few instances where they do something I agree with, I don't think a handful of corruptable politicians in Washington should run everything. I favor direct democracy as opposed to republicanism. However, as a self-labeled member of the Tea Party and as someone who appears to be advocating strict constructionalism, I do not see what your problem is with government running everything. The whole point of republicanism is to have the government make decisions for you. If this is your preferred form of government then you have no right to be upset if and when said government makes a decision you disagree with.


The point of republicanism is to have representatives who serve as my advocate and those from my state and I am in communication with them or voting them out of office if they don’t do their job.  If your concept of republicanism is that I elect the guy/gal and let them run wild, then I am afraid that you do not understand republicanism very well.


Also, I am not a member of the Tea Party, though that may come as a surprise to people.  I don’t appreciate being pigeon hold in to one particular group, because my views are my own. I’m not a Libertarian, Republican or a Constitution Party member, though I have voted for all three. I am a conservative, who prefers to be informed about my country and the vision the Founding Fathers had about this country. I believe in a responsible populace being responsible with their government, but that virtue seems to be slowly dying out.


I have a right to be upset, because I have the right to life and liberty which means I can express myself and my annoyance when a politician says something I disagree with. I am allowed to do that. I also express myself through email, phone and voting. That is government at work-not blinding agreeing or disagreeing due to the D or the R.


You claim "to increase government is to decrease liberty" yet you do not want a completely deregulated market. Which regulations do you agree with? Which don't you agree with? Why?


The regulations I agree with or disagree with is a rather long list and not worth derailing this thread over. For starters, I disagree with Obamacare’s mandate that I buy a product. I agree with having the FDA and having nutritional information available to consumers so they can make informed decisions.


Like I said, it is an exhaustive list and not worth listing here. I am not an anarchist and I do want government, I just want a limited one.



I posted this before in the "Socialism" thread:

"Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. 'Social ownership' may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

I don't know how anyone can read that article or even that little snippet and still equate all socialism with statism.


First of all, please provide additional research besides Wikipedia. While a good place to start, it isn’t a primary source in every case. From my research, yes, socialism can be defined without state control, but the overall concept of socialism uses statism to further its end. Most research I have done (and not just from conservative sources-more sarcasm) indicates that socialism relies upon central planning, a concept I disagree with.


In addition, if socialism as a concept is so nebulous that it defies explanation, then there is no point in discussing it. It is like Humpty Dumpty in “Alice Wonderland” where when he uses a word, it means whatever he wants it to mean. That’s not a discussion at all and not worth my time to argue about.




There is no middle way between corporate rule and government rule because both are oligarchy. Since the opposite extreme is anarchy, the middle way would be direct democracy.


Republicanism is also a middle way, as people are still involved in the government process, if they choose to be.


While direct democracy is an interesting concept, for the current state of the USA it is not practical as direct democracy would require greater involvement in the voting process, on almost a daily basis. Seeing as how we can’t get more than 40% of the given population to actually bother voting at any one time, I don’t see how direct democracy is an answer.




If it's not up to Obama or the government to create jobs then how/why should he/they take responsibility for the economy?


It’s not. It is his responsibility to create an environment where businesses and people can be successful, not punished for making “too much money.” The Tax Policy Center estimates that if Obama continues on his current budget trend, the top 1% of earners will pay 70% of taxes. How is that fair?


Also, if Obama keeps claiming to be creating jobs and doesn’t live up to his own statements, I will hold him accountable for that.


Finally, I will leave a link to an article that people probably won’t read but discusses the morality of socialism and capitalism:


http://ashbrook.org/publications/onprin-v1n3-thompson/

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Report this May. 02 2013, 11:02 am

I know this won't surprise anyone.... but now, on top of Obama using the military to train cadets that Christians are terrorists, he's doubling down and working to implement regulations forbidding military members from exercising their faith - to the point of court martialing military members (including chaplains.)

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Report this May. 02 2013, 12:28 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 27 2013, 6:26 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Apr. 26 2013, 4:51 pm

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>Yeah, I can't respect  President George W BUSH who knew about 9-11 and did nothing to stop it, a looney President who NEVER went after Bin laden, yet started a TRILLION DALLOR WAR and screwed up the ECONOMY now Obama had to clean up his messes, Yup, I find it hard to give such a President repect.
Good... now since you can't respect a president that you disagree with, how can you demand someone else respect a president we disagree with?

Moving along.... Why do you think that Bush knew about 9-11 before it happened?  Does that mean that Obama knew about all the terrorists attacks in the USA before they happened too?

And how did he screw up the economy?  Since Obama is doing pretty much the same as Bush (only bigger & faster,) what does that mean to the economy?

Please be specific and factual.  Ignore the name & political party of the person holding office - just look at their words and actions.


Look..Please understand that George W Bush had ONE OBJECTIVE when he became President, TO GET Sadam HUSSIEN, Obama's goal was to make america great again..We all know the Bush family was friends with the Bin Laden family,he could had captured or killed Bin Laden but instead he told many lies  saying "we're still looking for him" playing the american people for fools, that's why he needed to go to war in Iraq to get Sadam, When he first became President he was building up the military, WHY ? By not paying attention to the corruptions on wall street and making sure his buddies stay rich he bankrupt the economy, and they got the nerve to make a Presidential Library for this clown ? 


Greatness comes to those who really want to do anything to get it.

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Report this May. 02 2013, 2:22 pm

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 02 2013, 12:28 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 27 2013, 6:26 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ Apr. 26 2013, 4:51 pm

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>Yeah, I can't respect  President George W BUSH who knew about 9-11 and did nothing to stop it, a looney President who NEVER went after Bin laden, yet started a TRILLION DALLOR WAR and screwed up the ECONOMY now Obama had to clean up his messes, Yup, I find it hard to give such a President repect.
Good... now since you can't respect a president that you disagree with, how can you demand someone else respect a president we disagree with?

Moving along.... Why do you think that Bush knew about 9-11 before it happened?  Does that mean that Obama knew about all the terrorists attacks in the USA before they happened too?

And how did he screw up the economy?  Since Obama is doing pretty much the same as Bush (only bigger & faster,) what does that mean to the economy?

Please be specific and factual.  Ignore the name & political party of the person holding office - just look at their words and actions.

Look..Please understand that George W Bush had ONE OBJECTIVE when he became President, TO GET Sadam HUSSIEN, Obama's goal was to make america great again..We all know the Bush family was friends with the Bin Laden family,he could had captured or killed Bin Laden but instead he told many lies  saying "we're still looking for him" playing the american people for fools, that's why he needed to go to war in Iraq to get Sadam, When he first became President he was building up the military, WHY ? By not paying attention to the corruptions on wall street and making sure his buddies stay rich he bankrupt the economy, and they got the nerve to make a Presidential Library for this clown ? 

okay... so you can't or won't answer the questions or deal in actual facts - instead, just regurgitating talking points that you hear from the media.  Did they come on that "free" Obamaphone you got?  That's your choice, but some of us here actually look at facts.


No... Obama's goal, in his own words, was a "fundamentally transforming the United States of America."  He's openly talked about how much he hates the Constitution and complains about how it limits him.  He continues to attack American values and freedoms by both his word and actions.  He goes around the world and belittles the USA.  Those things cannot make America great.


Who did Bush help stay rich and how did he do it?  Soros?  GE?  Buffett?  Solyndra?  Unions?  .... oops.... those were all supported by Obama.... and many more...


You weren't around here when I was against Bush and his PATRIOT Act (and many other unConstitutional regulations/laws), but many people here were agreeing with me.... but now that Obama does the same thing, and I continue to speak out against unConstitutional regulations/laws... the same people that agreed with me for being against Bush are now against me for being against Obama.  The ProRegressives are seriously illogical.


And how does Obama expanding the anti-Constitutional PATRIOT Act and then adding on the NDAA make the country better when our rights are trampled on?  If I said that Bush wanted to use drones to kill American citizens on US soil without a trial, you'd be outraged (even though he never did it,) but Obama agrees with and signs into a law that very ability and you don't have any problem with it just because it's Obama?  (I have used many other examples where you have a problem with Bush doing something, but applaud Obama doing the very same thing.)


If you think about it, what made the USA so great?  It was the individual freedoms that our Constitution protects via limited government.  The ProRegressives (regardless of political party) are against that.  This is why Michelle came out and said that we have to "change our traditions, our history" - they don't agree with liberty.


Oh... and every president in modern time has a library per the Presidential Libraries Act - http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/about/

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Report this May. 03 2013, 11:17 am

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>Look..WE have a really great President, we're really a part of history..The economy was in ruins we were at the brink of a depression, health care is repaired so everyone can get it Obama is fixing things, inspite of the MESS that those idiotic Republicans left us.. We have those right wing MAGGOTS like Glen Beck that fat PUTZ Rush limbaugh who tries to destroy Obama and does NOTHING BUT SPEW HATE AND FEAR, Obama is still stabilizing the economy and making this country strong with his lovely wife Michelle who concern how children eat, is great for this country..Answer only if you appreciate the BEST President we've had in 50 years Barak Hussien Obama !..    

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Seriously? You have got to be kidding me. You seriously have got to be kidding me. Our health care is in shambles. Health insurance cost is going up 25% in most states. Not to mention that he is trying to remove our freedom of speech and religious rights. He has classified Christians and Military Veterans as terrorists. If you say something against Obama you are either called a "racist" or a "Bigot." I have nothing nice to say about the man and the fact that you guys made this post on this forum is horrifying. I wish this thread would be deleted, but I am pretty sure that my reply will get deleted because I do not support your lord and savior Barrack Obama or is it Barry Soroto.

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Report this May. 03 2013, 7:46 pm

Quote: troy.arbogast @ May. 03 2013, 11:17 am

Quote: DammitJim6200 @ Aug. 14 2010, 4:30 pm

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>Look..WE have a really great President, we're really a part of history..The economy was in ruins we were at the brink of a depression, health care is repaired so everyone can get it Obama is fixing things, inspite of the MESS that those idiotic Republicans left us.. We have those right wing MAGGOTS like Glen Beck that fat PUTZ Rush limbaugh who tries to destroy Obama and does NOTHING BUT SPEW HATE AND FEAR, Obama is still stabilizing the economy and making this country strong with his lovely wife Michelle who concern how children eat, is great for this country..Answer only if you appreciate the BEST President we've had in 50 years Barak Hussien Obama !..    

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Seriously? You have got to be kidding me. You seriously have got to be kidding me. Our health care is in shambles. Health insurance cost is going up 25% in most states. Not to mention that he is trying to remove our freedom of speech and religious rights. He has classified Christians and Military Veterans as terrorists. If you say something against Obama you are either called a "racist" or a "Bigot." I have nothing nice to say about the man and the fact that you guys made this post on this forum is horrifying. I wish this thread would be deleted, but I am pretty sure that my reply will get deleted because I do not support your lord and savior Barrack Obama or is it Barry Soroto.


Look..I know it seems hard to understand, but Obama is doing the right things, hell, he dip into my pockets TOO, but instead of hating him I know that in the long run he'll give us a great country, he's cleaning up Bush's screw ups the economy is growing, people are starting to work again, so stop it and be happy, ten years from now you'll thank ME and Obama.  


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Report this May. 04 2013, 10:16 am

Quote: He'sDeadJim6400 @ May. 03 2013, 7:46 pm

>Look..I know it seems hard to understand, but Obama is doing the right things, hell, he dip into my pockets TOO, but instead of hating him I know that in the long run he'll give us a great country, he's cleaning up Bush's screw ups the economy is growing, people are starting to work again, so stop it and be happy, ten years from now you'll thank ME and Obama.  
No, DJ, the facts aren't hard to understand, but they aren't stopping you from ignoring them.  At least you finally admit that Obama lied about taxing you....


Us be thankful for Obama?!?!?!?  Hmmm.... let's look at some of the confirmed facts that you're thankful for:


- Obama illegally smuggled arms to two countries (that we know of.)
- Higher taxes
- Attacks on business leaders (unless they're in Obama's pocket)
- Thousands of more anti-business regulations
- Record numbers of people on entitlements
- Record numbers of people who've stopped looking for work.
- Class warfare
- Terrorists for friends
- Forcing Christians to go against their religion.
- Record debt - Obama is on track to increase it more than all previous 43 presidents combined.
- Arming our enemies.
- Loss of our AAA Credit rating
- More entitlements
- Self proclaimed communists working in the White House
- Dramatically increasing medical care costs.
- Causing a shortage of medical care professionals.
- Officially declared that Veterans, Christians and supporters of the Constitution are terrorists.
- Got a US Ambassador killed and refused to send reinforcements
- Started a messive child indoctrination program via "Common Core"
- Pushed to have businesses move overseas.
- Attacked the sovereignty of every state on multiple issues
- Sued several of them to enforce unConstitutional laws.
- Pushing for even more abortion by allowing children access to it without parental knowledge.
- Heavily increasing energy costs.
- Czars
- Releasing illegal aliens (de facto amnesty)
- Violated contract law
- Solyndra, First Solar, etc.
- Oil drilling moratorium.
- Gave taxpayer money to unions


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Yea.... I can go on and on and on.


 


"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion."


 


I will never be thankful for a socialist in the White House or government tyranny.  I'm not thankful for Wilson nor Roosevelt nor Carter nor Bush or any other ProRegressive, so why should I be thankful for Obama?


 


The only positive thing I can say about Obama's tenure is that it's starting to wake up the American citizens to the dangers of government tyranny and how far it's come.  I'm starting to see more and more people actually reading history and understand Obama's agenda.

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