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The President Obama appreciation thread

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 8:13 am

Quote: Khaaan!!!! @ Nov. 07 2012, 7:43 am

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>I appreciated him with my vote yesterday and I am glad to say...4 more years!

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So let's get this straight....


Obama won in 2008 without having any executive experience at all and complaining about the Constitution....  and won re-election after four years of making things worse and ignoring the Constitution.


One thing I have to say, the gubmunt edewkayshun & indocktrunayshun cystduuhhmm is working exactly as planned.

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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 1:42 pm

I am glad the tea party took a bath in this election. their uneducated rantings will now live on only in the fox news viewer  (and sadly message boards)  because the republican party will releive itself of this anchor around the partys neck after their thumping last  night. It is interesting to see what corporate america and fox will come up with to dupe people who cherish ideology over facts next time.


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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 1:57 pm

Quote: Khaaan!!!! @ Nov. 07 2012, 1:42 pm

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>I am glad the tea party took a bath in this election. their uneducated rantings will now live on only in the fox news viewer  (and sadly message boards)  because the republican party will releive itself of this anchor around the partys neck after their thumping last  night. It is interesting to see what corporate america and fox will come up with to dupe people who cherish ideology over facts next time.

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Everyone says the Tea Party is uninformed. But actually, the tea partiers know the constitution better than most of congress. What are they uninformed about? They didn't get the memo that we are all socialists now? If anyone is uneducated, it's the people who watch the mainstream news... they hear about stupid namecalling, but don't hear any of the real facts. If Obama does something bad, they don't cover it. If a republican does, they go crazy. The people who belive them are really uninformed.


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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 6:45 pm

Quote: Sehlat123 @ Nov. 07 2012, 1:57 pm

Quote: Khaaan!!!! @ Nov. 07 2012, 1:42 pm

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>I am glad the tea party took a bath in this election. their uneducated rantings will now live on only in the fox news viewer  (and sadly message boards)  because the republican party will releive itself of this anchor around the partys neck after their thumping last  night. It is interesting to see what corporate america and fox will come up with to dupe people who cherish ideology over facts next time.

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Everyone says the Tea Party is uninformed. But actually, the tea partiers know the constitution better than most of congress. What are they uninformed about? They didn't get the memo that we are all socialists now? If anyone is uneducated, it's the people who watch the mainstream news... they hear about stupid namecalling, but don't hear any of the real facts. If Obama does something bad, they don't cover it. If a republican does, they go crazy. The people who belive them are really uninformed.

Plus Tea Party members buy a lot of history books and read original material.  At least they try to critically think through things (although a lot of them still want to keep entitlements.)


And you notice that the ProRegressives say that Tea Party people don't know the facts, but can't really identify the things that are factually wrong - only make vague accusations.... while the Tea Party actually reference Obama's own words and use reference material.  I always love it when I reference something that Obama actually said and provide a video and the ProRegressives here reply saying that I don't know the facts and that it didn't happen.


 


But that's part of the ProRegressive mindset - Anybody remember when Obama and Romney were debating and Obama lied about Romney's Op-Ed about the bailout?  The next day, it was proven over and over (even by MSNBC) that Romney was right and Obama was wrong.... And later on, Obama, in a speech in Ohio, continued with the same lie even after being proven wrong.

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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 6:55 pm

I'm watching a report on the Benghazi fiasco/coverup.... according to a retired CIA officer (who's a Middle East and counterterrorism expert) and a few others investigating this, it appears that Obama was running guns to al-Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood.  And during the attack, the White House had a live feed from on premise cameras and a drone in the sky - the administration stopped help from coming.  (Standard Operatiing Prodedure is to send in the Quick Reaction Force, who could have been there in about an hour, but was ordered not to go.)  If there's any truth in this, this will make the Iran Contra and Watergate look like small change.


 


If this is even remotely true.... will Congress have enough guts to expose Obama?  (Yea, I know that under Reid, the Senate will never convict Obama, even if he is guilty.)

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Report this Nov. 07 2012, 10:24 pm

Anyone else see this?

Obama appoints Thomas Pickering to investigate the Benghazi incident.... but Mr. Pickering sits on the boards of the American Iranian Council and the National Iranian American Council.....  Oh, and he also has ties to CAIR who are unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation trial — the largest terror-funding trial in U.S. history.

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 5:48 am

So, the political show is over. The entertainers can go sleep now. 

VulcanKat

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 5:50 am

I guess no one considers religious liberty of any importance.

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 6:38 am

Quote: VulcanKat @ Nov. 08 2012, 5:50 am

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Well... not the MESSiah and his zombies....

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 8:53 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Nov. 08 2012, 6:38 am

Quote: VulcanKat @ Nov. 08 2012, 5:50 am

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Well... not the MESSiah and his zombies....


"His anti-Biblical views - he believes in abortion and redefining marriage.  He tries to frame it as getting the government out of our personal choices, but the USA was built on Biblical principles.  I'm definitely not saying that this should be a theocracy, but that doesn't mean we "transform" America and throw out our founding principles."


You're the one who wants to impose your religious views on the rest of the country.

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 9:20 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Nov. 08 2012, 8:53 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Nov. 08 2012, 6:38 am

Quote: VulcanKat @ Nov. 08 2012, 5:50 am

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Well... not the MESSiah and his zombies....

"His anti-Biblical views - he believes in abortion and redefining marriage.  He tries to frame it as getting the government out of our personal choices, but the USA was built on Biblical principles.  I'm definitely not saying that this should be a theocracy, but that doesn't mean we "transform" America and throw out our founding principles."

You're the one who wants to impose your religious views on the rest of the country.

Really?  Show me where I ordered people to go to church or what to pray or how much to pay in tithes....  (Although I have shown many instances of our Founding Fathers declaring a day of prayer.)


Yes, we know several people here hate the principles that the USA was founded on. They, including you, have made it quite apparent  I get it...., like Obama getting dreams from his father, many have been indoctrinated to support anti-Constitutional / anti-God views.  But I love the principles that founded the USA and I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.  Among the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution is the freedom of religion - and the president and his cronies have been attacking religion (and other basic God-given rights) for years.  Why is it that Obama tells us that we must support things that God says is wrong?

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 10:05 am

You said we can't "throw out our founding principles" in reference to issues like gay marriage and abortion. If your side really believed in liberty and freedom of religion we wouldn't even be arguing about these issues.


Your only defense seems to be that the Founders were Christian. Who cares? They also had slaves and wore stupid wigs, does that mean we should too?

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 10:18 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Nov. 08 2012, 10:05 am

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>You said we can't "throw out our founding principles" in reference to issues like gay marriage and abortion. If your side really believed in liberty and freedom of religion we wouldn't even be arguing about these issues.

>Your only defense seems to be that the Founders were Christian. Who cares? They also had slaves and wore stupid wigs, does that mean we should too?

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Why wouldn't the those on the side of religion and freedom argue about life and family?  Why is it that we're told to shut up and sit down while those that attack the principles of religion and the Constitution are free to go about their business?  That's like telling one army they must lay down and be killed by their enemy!


One thing you seem to be doing is confusing liberty with lawlessness & anarchy.  Nothing is further from the truth.  Liberty doesn't mean I can do anything I want - there are some minimal prohibitions.


As I've pointed out several times, while most were, not all of the Founding Fathers were Christians.  But... the founding principles of our government is based on the Bible.  All you have to do is read their personal writings and read the record of the discussions.  Why do you think President Washington did what he did immediately after his first inauguration?


But Obama tells us that government is now superior to God and that government can make you support anti-God principles.


 


That laws of nature and nature's God are logical.  Water is wet and fire burns.  While we don't always understand, there are reasons God set things up the way He did.  You don't have to believe it, but then again, you don't have to believe in gravity either.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that it's not set up in such a way that's logical and correct.  There are absolutes and there are things that are right and wrong.


And with everything, there are consequences to what we do - both good and bad.  The consequence of liberty is prosperity and happiness.  And just as slavery was wrong, our Founders compromised and allowed it to exist - with long-term disastrous consequences to that decision.


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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 12:25 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Nov. 08 2012, 9:20 am

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Nov. 08 2012, 8:53 am

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Well... not the MESSiah and his zombies....


Hey, it's the government who is imposing their beliefs on a religion. If a religion believes abortion is murder, then women have a choice to get their contraception elsewhere-a church doesn't need to defy its conscience. The US government doesn't have a right to tell a church what it's to believe and that is guaranteed by the first amendment. You should be afraid of a government that tells a religion what to believe because it sets a bad precedent...what else will it force people to do? It obviously feels that its above its own laws.

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Report this Nov. 08 2012, 12:51 pm

Quote: VulcanKat @ Nov. 08 2012, 12:25 pm

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>Hey, it's the government who is imposing their beliefs on a religion. If a religion believes abortion is murder, then women have a choice to get their contraception elsewhere-a church doesn't need to defy its conscience. The US government doesn't have a right to tell a church what it's to believe and that is guaranteed by the first amendment. You should be afraid of a government that tells a religion what to believe because it sets a bad precedent...what else will it force people to do? It obviously feels that its above its own laws.

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Exactly. Separation of Church and State was first written by jefferson to a church talking about this very thing. The point is that the church more important than the government. If the government gets rid of the church, then they have no competition. We have seen this numerous times. You know, Nazi Germany did the same  thing. They forced the catholic church to preach their agenda. The soviets abolished all the churches. And of course, the Occupation of Bajor...


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